Where does Honda recommend Moly 60?

[Sidecar Bob]

Where does Honda recommend using Moly 60 on the rear wheel splines?

I am asking this because I can't find it anywhere. Here is what I have found in Honda manuals about lubricating the splines:

P. 11-14 of the GL1100 FSM says "Apply lithium based multipurpose NLGI No. 2 (MOS2 - additive) grease to the damper pins, final driven gear's inner surface and splines and to the final driven gear flange splines"

P. 204 of the GL500/650 FSM says "Lubricate the splines of the final driven flange and the O-ring with lithium-based MULTIPURPOSE NLGI No. 2 (molybdenum disulfide additive) GREASE"

The capitals are Honda's. It almost looks like they were specifically stressing "multipurpose" and "grease" in order to tell us that we should not use moly 60 (which is technically a paste anyway and really intended as assembly lube for engine parts).

I have a feeling that moly 60 may go down in the annals as a myth like the need for silicate free coolant: someone read something somewhere, misinterpreted it and then quoted (or maybe misquoted?) it on the web where it was spread around and became part of the lore.

FWIW, my 'Wing had almost 100,000 Km on it the last time I had the rear wheel off and the splines were in like new condition. For over 70,000 of that I used whatever flavour of grease I happened to have on hand, usually ordinary wheel bearing grease and never noticed the moly requirement. When I started seeing moly mentioned on the forums and I looked more closely at the FSM and bought some NLGI No. 2 lithium based grease with molybdenum.

[pierce]

At the tail end of building a 1000 engine by hand I have read every manual nearly a dozen times and can not say that Moly 60 is ever mentioned to my knowledge.

However, if you own a valkyrie you would know the current fad is not to use Moly 60 'they' claim that it is inferior and washes away quickly. They are recommending Guard Dog, and shun anyone who uses the inferior Moly 60!

I say, whatever you do, just grease it.

[brianinpa]

I know that I have once read it somewhere that specifically calls for Moly-60 is needed, but I cannot find it anywhere now.

[ziggydog]

Differential splines is where I saw it recommended

[Whiskerfish]

Driveshaft grease3.jpg

[Placerville]

SNIP...."Where does Honda recommend using Moly 60 on the rear wheel splines?.... I am asking this because I can't find it anywhere.

Right here

[pierce]

I don't think he is asking where to use it - but where in the manual does it say to use it.

Whiskerfishs post just hammers in the fact that Moly 60 is not specified, but rather 'multipurpose grease', which they define as MULTIPURPOSE NLGI No. 2 (molybdenum disulfide additive) GREASE, not Moly 60.

Can anyone find it in the manual?

[Placerville]

I'd have to look again, but I believe it makes reference to it in the owners manual regarding the zerk fitting.

[CYBORG]

on the front pages of the honda service manual for the 1000 it lists the greases to be used. moly 60 is not memtioned

[Sidecar Bob]

I think I smell another internet legend.....

[Placerville]

...and there are so many of them.

[Whiskerfish]

I have never seen a reference for moly 60 on the GL1000. My guess is that most folks just take the requirement of the "MoS2 additive" and look to find the easiest thing that has Moly in it and that has become the common recommendation??? I have never seen a percentage recommendation from Honda for this application, just the "Additive" comment and that leaves it wide open. Could be 10% or 50!!!

And just to agree with you, I have been using standard wheel bearing grease (Graphite based) on my drive splines since I got started with Wings and I have never had an issue with wear. Now I do clean out the back end of the shaft and replace the grease at least every other rear tire change. My current dresser has roughly 68,000 miles since I built it and the front end of the shaft has not been off yet. The last Dresser was parted out at @ 165,000 miles and the teeth on the shaft looked like new when I pulled it down. I got that with about 94,000 miles on the clock from my Father. He had never serviced the splines at all and I did it every or every other tire change.

In the Military on our helicopters we used Moly-B by the 5 gallon bucket loads. No kidding Greasing the Rotor Head was done every night. It used 2-3 full tubes a day per Helo. So a 5 Gallon bucket would last a week or two depending on the flight schedule. Moly-B was used in all the high pressure area's due to it's Paste like features and it's resistance to failure under heavy loads. I do not know what the percentage of the grease was really Moly-B in that application but I know the 5 gallon buckets were several hundred dollars each.

I do understand the engineering requirement for a high pressure solid based grease on the splines but I think it any quality solid base would be just fine so long as it is not neglected. But that is my personal opinion.

[MikeO]

it is listed as engine assembly lubericant on page 2-5 in the gl1000 shop manual. use on head bolts,fuel pump actuator and camshaft followers. it is listed as Molybdeum Disulfide. it is also on page 1-5 and 5-20 and like wiskerfish said page 12-16 for swingarm bearings and splines. Hope this helps

[pierce]

it is listed as engine assembly lubericant on page 2-5 in the gl1000 shop manual. use on head bolts,fuel pump actuator and camshaft followers. it is listed as Molybdeum Disulfide. it is also on page 1-5 and 5-20 and like wiskerfish said page 12-16 for swingarm bearings and splines. Hope this helps

Molybldenum Disulfide is not Moly 60 paste.

[dan filipi]

We questioned the need for Moly 60 a couple years ago at classicgoldwings.
I pulled my rear wheel after a short time with a fresh coat of the stuff and this is what I found:



I no longer use Moly 60.