ElPiloto wrote:The Ford EDIS ignition is the best ignition solution for the Goldwing, in my opinion.
All you need to do is mount a 36-1 toothed wheel on the crank snout and fab a bracket to put the pickup close to the outside of the timing wheel. You can use the rest of the Ford stuff, the box and coilpack from a junkyard 4 cylinder Ford. You can use the Ford wheel or buy one from one of the many suppliers that sell them. You can mount the wheel on the camshaft if that's easier for you.
Do a Google search for Ford EDIS, or just EDIS, and you will get more information than you need.
I am going to use EDIS on my Goldwings with Megasquirt controlling it.
+1 on the EDIS being great for a wing. I believe it has been tested to over 11kRPM by the MS people. If you don't want to MS, there may be other ways. If you want to mount a timing wheel off your cam, then you need a 72-2 wheel instead of a 36-1 wheel. They are easy to have water jet cut or milled by someone with a rotary table.
There is an EFI thread somewhere we need to resurrect since there are now at least 3 of us that want to do this. I am going to let someone else work out any bugs in my MS box (on his BMW 2002) while I fab up an intake for my newly aquired CBR600RR throttle bodies (yay!)
Deek, yup. Weak charging systems. This is one hurdle us EFI wanters need to consider (ElPiloto plans a stator rewind to cope, I might add on an alternator like Cyborg's since I am not going to SC mine yet.) I wonder if there is any benefit to lightening the flywheel if I remove the stator and add an alternator? I am excited to start on the EFI project as soon as I get the mini cafe in the road. Cyborg has first right of refusal on the 1200EFI parts that I have, but if he doesn't want them (next Saturday) then I will sell them for what I paid (pretty cheap.)
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I looked at some info on the Ford EDIS, and it sounds interesting. I am not ready to tackle Fuel Injection. So, I am wondering, how one would generate the spark advance signal that the EDIS needs with out the Megasquirt system? It appears to be pulse width modulated and timed to the trigger signal from the sensor. This needs to change in tune with the RPMs of the engine.
Mike
So many interests, so little time...
'76 GL1000: "The Super Bee" - finished.
'75 GL1000: Basket Case, Next project in queue
You would have to build an advance box to talk to the EDIS. The EDIS outputs an RPM signal to the Ford EFI box, so if you intake that signal, then output the SAW (spark angle word) you could generate your own advance maps. That might be a good project for people who want to lose the stock advance mechanism alltogether and maybe work on changing the advance curve for different fuels, loads, etc. I could not tell you how you would do it, as I don't have enough programming experience, but I will tell you that something like a Parallax Propeller chip or an Arduino are two good candidates for this sort of thing. I may look into it as well for automotive applications. Thanks for the idea.
it worked, then the dog got at it... so i ordered two of 'em, put it together and install this weekend. the quality is very good. i know, i could buy the dyna for 150 bucks, but, i LIKE to tinker, and have to watch every penny. how would you go about checking the eccentric of the points cam? I've read that many find it to be wobbling from the valve cam.
Alwing, I send you an email as you requested a few days ago. I would like to see your pictures also. If would like, I can post them here for all to see, also.
Mike
So many interests, so little time...
'76 GL1000: "The Super Bee" - finished.
'75 GL1000: Basket Case, Next project in queue
[quote="LikeMike64"]Alwing17, please PM the pictures to me. I would like to see them.
Also, if it is okay with you, I will try to post to this thread for you too.[/
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Please do,Mike! I had to make a bracket to support the coils and used some washers to space the coils apart so the wires on the primary side don't touch.
I want to point out,If you run these coils...Use the resistor as Dyna states for your ignition system..Some newer Dyna setups have you replace the stock ballast w/one in the kit...Older ones come w/a piggyback one that is added to the stock one.
If you try and run the Dyna directly to the GM coils WITHOUT the resistor(s),You will destroy the Dyna!!!
1975 GL 1000 "Street Fighter"
1976 GL 1000 "Screaming Yellow Zonker"
1976 GL 1000 Sulfur Yellow x2
1981 GL 1100 "Crown Royal"
1997 GL 1500 Pearl Sapphire Black
1977 GL1000 Cirrius Blue
1977 GL 1000 Skidmark build
1976 GL 1000 Limited
2003 ST 1300 Silver Streak
(And those are just the Gold Wings! With an exception..)
Team 898...25%er...*Beverages Consumed
Team LTD...1/6th'er...* Even more beverages consumed
alwing17 wrote:I had to make a bracket to support the coils and used some washers to space the coils apart so the wires on the primary side don't touch.
I want to point out,If you run these coils...Use the resistor as Dyna states for your ignition system..Some newer Dyna setups have you replace the stock ballast w/one in the kit...Older ones come w/a piggyback one that is added to the stock one.
If you try and run the Dyna directly to the GM coils WITHOUT the resistor(s),You will destroy the Dyna!!!
Here are pictures of Alwing17's GM DIS coil install:
Mike
So many interests, so little time...
'76 GL1000: "The Super Bee" - finished.
'75 GL1000: Basket Case, Next project in queue
donspicer2 wrote:it worked, then the dog got at it... so i ordered two of 'em, put it together and install this weekend. the quality is very good. i know, i could buy the dyna for 150 bucks, but, i LIKE to tinker, and have to watch every penny. how would you go about checking the eccentric of the points cam? I've read that many find it to be wobbling from the valve cam.
It is a .pdf file, so when you click on the link, your browser tries to download the document for viewing. To download the catalog to your hard drive, right click on the link and click on "save linked content as...". I use Opera, so IE probably has different wording.
http://www.apogeekits.com/
a goldwing will need two kits.
vellemnan's website is very good, but a little goofy - they explain all you want to know about their stuff, but never state that they don't sell to the public, only via dealers. go figure. the quality is VERY good.
I have a suspicion about some of the failures with the Danya system. If the ignition is left on/but not running, the transistor will eventually overheat - one thing I like about this system is the HUGE heat sink.
Mike,Thanks for posting those pics for all to see! I plan to use another set in another project bike or 2...I got tons of these coils lying around!
1975 GL 1000 "Street Fighter"
1976 GL 1000 "Screaming Yellow Zonker"
1976 GL 1000 Sulfur Yellow x2
1981 GL 1100 "Crown Royal"
1997 GL 1500 Pearl Sapphire Black
1977 GL1000 Cirrius Blue
1977 GL 1000 Skidmark build
1976 GL 1000 Limited
2003 ST 1300 Silver Streak
(And those are just the Gold Wings! With an exception..)
Team 898...25%er...*Beverages Consumed
Team LTD...1/6th'er...* Even more beverages consumed
donspicer2 wrote:...I have a suspicion about some of the failures with the Danya system. If the ignition is left on/but not running, the transistor will eventually overheat - one thing I like about this system is the HUGE heat sink.
This is a common failure on add-on electronic systems. Ask any brittish car owner who converted and they'll admit to burning up either the ignition unit or the coil for just that reason.
The MegaSquirt and EDIS systems get around this by putting the coil power feed on a relay and only close it when it gets a signal from the crank position sensor.
-Deek
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1975 GL 1000 (First Year) under the knife; soon to be a cafe' inspired "Boss" of a freedom machine.
but working out an ignition advance system that produces a timing 'word' is interesting. I feature using a cheap PLC like the 50-buck one that Keyence makes, (12 volt powered) write a little program that
1.looks for pulses on a digital input from some kind of trigger. then, that would turn on the EDIS amplifier(?)
2.the same plc could count pulses, and output the advance word that was mentioned in this thread earlier. this input on the eds, is it a serial line, rs 232? if so, I know what to do.... the plc could be used for a bazzilion other functions, like, sequenced tailights, water injection, etc.
i have a keyence plc, it's tiny, much smaller than a pack of cigarettes, and industrially 'hardened'. i'd need to know something about how the EDIS handshakes, etc. I looked on ebay, so far, the edis seems a little pricey, obviously i don't know what i'm looking for. ?
