Return of "The dreaded B plate"

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Return of "The dreaded B plate"

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Because of my inexperience with a wet clutch (& Motorcycles) I screwed the pooch several times doing my clutch on my 77 GW. It took me three times to get a working clutch (sort of). I did some serious damage to some of my clutch parts on my second attempt to assemble the clutch (Cracked the spring carrier, cracked the pressure plate and turned one steel plate into a cone shaped annul-us). To add insanity on top of blithe ignorance I replaced the damaged parts without a thought about what may have happened to the remaining disks...did I warp them? Who knows I did not recheck them Doah! I also binned the B-plate but it was one of the upgraded b plates. Anyway to finally get to the point, today I order all new steel plates, new friction plates and a new B-plate. My Gl is ride able and the clutch works until up to temp and if I start out with a little too much load, it chatters very bad. So, some time this winter I'm going back in to try again.
All I can say is I may not have the aptitude, but I do have the attitude and will solve this problem once and for all. :horse:
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Re: Return of "The dreaded B plate"

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77Gowing wrote:My Gl is ride able and the clutch works until up to temp and if I start out with a little too much load, it chatters very bad.
My first attempt also bent a steel plate AND cracked the pressure plate lol.

My second attempt went together well, but I also get chatter under load, but mine only happens when cold. Once my bike is up to temp it stops entirely. I always figured it was because I eliminated plate B, but I have always suspected something else was going on. I am planning on pulling my motor over the winter to do some other things, and now you have me considering taking a second look at my clutches. I will be interested to see what you find with yours.
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Not sure if they recommend it on the GL's but on the inline 4's a common practice is to replace the B plate with 2 old steels.

Not understanding why you're bending plates and cracking pressure plates. When all of the teeth are lined up and you insert the pressure plate and springs, the pressure plate will sit just below flush with the cage with no pressure on it. Anything else and pull the PP and see what you did wrong.
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Also when torquing down the PP bolts, take your time. Finger tighten each bolt until it makes contact with the springs and then tighten in a criss cross pattern NO more than 2 turns at a time to keep pressure on the pressure plate even. Same when removing the Pressure Plate. Loosen no more than 2 turns on each bolt in a criss-cross pattern.
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jdvorchak wrote:Not sure if they recommend it on the GL's but on the inline 4's a common practice is to replace the B plate with 2 old steels.

Not understanding why you're bending plates and cracking pressure plates. When all of the teeth are lined up and you insert the pressure plate and springs, the pressure plate will sit just below flush with the cage with no pressure on it. Anything else and pull the PP and see what you did wrong.
You don't need to understand how I bent plates and broke things on my first/ second try. I figured out what I was doing wrong in my ignorance as a first timer. The point is, that I now am not happy how my clutch operates when I ride. Yeah, I screwed up big time but don't have the time or inclination to explain it yet again. Big lessons learned now and I know what to do about it. Just need to put in the effort. Thanks for your comments though JD.
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Need help here folks, I seem to recall that I put a wrench on the crank when I torqued the clutch center nut to keep the clutch from turning. From the manual I read this: “Torque the Clutch center nut using the special clutch holder HC 41304 and socket wrench HC 41303 and bend up a lock tab.” Since this tool is obviously not available what are my options and would holding the crank center bolt work? In my foggy memory I recall the crank bolt worked. Please jump in and point me in the correct direction perhaps I did this part wrong as well. You do not have to go easy on me, I am unabashedly unashamed of my ignorance.
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If you don't have the front belt cover off you can always put the bike in about 5th gear with the rear wheel chocked and that will hold it for you.
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Hey, 77Gowing, how you liking this Texas autumn? You must be all settled in by now.

If you plan to do the clutch in the bike, it will be much easier if you can get it up in the air so that you can work from under it. That might make chocking the rear wheel difficult but maybe you can use two tables, one under each wheel and with the bike solidly anchored so that when you crank real hard on that clutch center bolt the bike doesn't come down on top of you!
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jdvorchak wrote:If you don't have the front belt cover off you can always put the bike in about 5th gear with the rear wheel chocked and that will hold it for you.
JD, Thanks, so it's a yes holding the front crank bolt will work. I'll try the rear wheel chock first if not able to, will pull the belt cover to get at the crank. A lot of work, but will get her done. Thanks again. anim-cheers1 anim-cheers1
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Easter wrote:Hey, 77Gowing, how you liking this Texas autumn? You must be all settled in by now.

If you plan to do the clutch in the bike, it will be much easier if you can get it up in the air so that you can work from under it. That might make chocking the rear wheel difficult but maybe you can use two tables, one under each wheel and with the bike solidly anchored so that when you crank real hard on that clutch center bolt the bike doesn't come down on top of you!
Loving the Texas autumn it's great! I am told that for the next three months it will be hit n miss for a couple of days each month for a freeze, but nothing like I'm used to in Michigan. Glad to be back in my home state Dag Nab it! Though I was born in Tejas, I am afraid to wear my hat n boots cause I feel like a real citified poser (been out of the country for 52 years in yankee land).

I'm going to lay on the floor to do this job, been there before in Nov in Michigan. I laid upon a mover's blanket to do it. When I got cold I went in to warm up and then came back out to take a crack at it again. Don't see me having a problem with the cold here in San Angelo. Who knows, I might be able to meet up with you when I get her done, though I am a wimp when it comes to going far on a bike, but there's always a first time.

Thanks for you advice. xmas2
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I improvised a clutch holding tool using straps of flat stock steel. 1 longer piece, and a shorter one bolted together about halfway down the longer one to form a Y shape. The ends of the Y had a hole on each end to bolt to the same holes where the pressure plate bolts and springs go. I had to bend each end in a little so it would sit flush bolted down and clear the case, but it did work. If I had to do it again though, or if the engine was out of the bike, I would consider trying another method.
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Love to meet up with you and ride the "Three Twisted Sisters" together. I think they are not too far from your place. I would trailer my bike somewhere into the vicinity. I have never broken down on a ride (except for a plugged fuel filter, which I managed to work around) but I like to have a trailer available.
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Did the clutch on my '85 LTD and used a strap wrench on the clutch basket to hold it. A second pair of hands would have been nice.
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