Stator connector stir-fried
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Stator connector stir-fried
I have 3 bikes with stators. All 3 have fried the connector coming from them. I found a good alternative to the standard connector which seems to hold up well to the current. They're called Anderson Power Poles. I used the 30 amp version on all 3 bikes. Anderson insists you buy their crimping tool but I didn't. I used my regular pin crimper (takes a bit of experimenting) with good results. Here's a couple of pics of the latest casualty - my wife's 750 Shadow - and the fix. You can get powerpoles online from lots of vendors. Get extra metal bits for experimentation to get the crimp right. Don't try solder. It gets on the contact surface and buggers things up.
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
Good alternative to soldering. Lots of choice with this connector.
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
Looks good. I'm using 60 amp rated gold plated connectors for RC helicopters. So far, so good.
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
good find and thanks for the info on the connectors. gonna have to invest in some of those.
on a side note, not trying to hijack, I have done it in the past but then I learned that soldering wires to connectors on any machinery that moves or vibrates is a bad idea and crimping (with strain relief) is the only long term solution. and yes I realize a lot of people have done it and never had issues... YMMV but... even a perfectly soldered joint from wire to connector can fail due to vibration stress. bottom line, crimps are mechanically stronger.
from what I have experienced personally, soldering in-line wire splices is perfectly acceptable. as long as one does the olde Western Union wrap splice then heat shrinks over the soldered splice with waterproof goo inside the 'shrink'.
on a side note, not trying to hijack, I have done it in the past but then I learned that soldering wires to connectors on any machinery that moves or vibrates is a bad idea and crimping (with strain relief) is the only long term solution. and yes I realize a lot of people have done it and never had issues... YMMV but... even a perfectly soldered joint from wire to connector can fail due to vibration stress. bottom line, crimps are mechanically stronger.
from what I have experienced personally, soldering in-line wire splices is perfectly acceptable. as long as one does the olde Western Union wrap splice then heat shrinks over the soldered splice with waterproof goo inside the 'shrink'.
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
I aqgree. If done.... it must be done properly
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
now if I could see 22 gauge wire in the first place...... I swear the print on the page is getting smaller and smaller
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
I use the original type. If you maintained the electrical system like you do the engine this problem doesn't occur. Maintaining connectors like that is the easiest thing you could imagine: Just unplug the connector and re-plug it every few years and while you are doing that look for any signs of corrosion and if you see green clean it out thoroughly (this is like changing the electric system's oil & filter).
If you see any signs that a wire is corroded disassemble the terminal from the connector, cut off the terminal and replace it with a fresh, new one properly crimped on (you can solder it if you aren't confident in your ability to do a good crimp but that can cause the wire to become brittle next to where it was heated and break later so a good crimp is always better). Before you insert the new terminal into the connector flush the connector out with contact cleaner and use a brush or other mechanical means to make sure that no sign of the corrosion remains.
If you see any signs that a wire is corroded disassemble the terminal from the connector, cut off the terminal and replace it with a fresh, new one properly crimped on (you can solder it if you aren't confident in your ability to do a good crimp but that can cause the wire to become brittle next to where it was heated and break later so a good crimp is always better). Before you insert the new terminal into the connector flush the connector out with contact cleaner and use a brush or other mechanical means to make sure that no sign of the corrosion remains.
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
SC Bob. I see your point Bob but don't think electrical connectors should be a maintenance item and since the stator connector on Hondas fries so often (all of mine did), it seems a better connector for that amount of current is called for. I did put some of that goop on each blade of the Andersons before connecting them. I'm 73 so that should do it eh?
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
Hmmm... All of yours fail and you don't do electrical maintenance. I do and I've never had one fail.
Anyone else see a pattern forming here?
Anyone else see a pattern forming here?
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
Bob's way is best ??
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
I think the biggest problem is that mostly we do not think about connections being a maintenance item, until something does not work. I guess if none of us every drove in the rain
My HD has connectors that are made to be weather tight (I don't think anything is "proof"). But even then, if you live in a humid clime, or a climate that gets really cold and then warms up.....
My HD has connectors that are made to be weather tight (I don't think anything is "proof"). But even then, if you live in a humid clime, or a climate that gets really cold and then warms up.....
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
Is rain the worst you've got? I'm not just talking about My 'Wing that I drove to work rain or shine during the warmer halves of 18 years but the winter machines I drove to work in rain, sleet, snow (& road salt) and occasionally sunshine too, not to mention the GS400 that I drove in both summer & winter at one time.
BTW: I don't specifically set out to unplug, inspect and re-plug every electrical connection on the bike as a maintenance procedure. Some of the connections get unplugged when I am working on electrical mods (I have replaced the instruments on Eccles several times and on Mr.H. twice and replaced the handlebar switches and all of the lights on both for a start, not to mention the connections to the sidecars - yes, I am that rare guy that actually likes working on electrical stuff). That plus looking at any wiring & connectors that are near where I am working on anything else on the bike adds up to nearly everything being looked at occasionally without it becoming a big job in itself.
BTW: I don't specifically set out to unplug, inspect and re-plug every electrical connection on the bike as a maintenance procedure. Some of the connections get unplugged when I am working on electrical mods (I have replaced the instruments on Eccles several times and on Mr.H. twice and replaced the handlebar switches and all of the lights on both for a start, not to mention the connections to the sidecars - yes, I am that rare guy that actually likes working on electrical stuff). That plus looking at any wiring & connectors that are near where I am working on anything else on the bike adds up to nearly everything being looked at occasionally without it becoming a big job in itself.
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
Good point Bob. I never really considered routinely re-seating connectors. Probably a good idea under the circumstances. I still think the Honda plug is inadequate for that particular load though.Sidecar Bob wrote:Hmmm... All of yours fail and you don't do electrical maintenance. I do and I've never had one fail.
Anyone else see a pattern forming here?
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Re: Stator connector stir-fried
With all the extra loads I ran on Eccles when I was commuting in all weather plus the bigger U1 battery its connector would surely have failed if the design was inadequate.
The same type of connector is used in all kinds of products that plug into your 110V power to, including stuff like 1500W heaters so surely it must be OK for a 300W alternator.
The same type of connector is used in all kinds of products that plug into your 110V power to, including stuff like 1500W heaters so surely it must be OK for a 300W alternator.
Mr. Honda ('83 GL1100/Dnepr) summer How a motorcycle evolves thread
The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
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"A guy with two sidecars can't be all bad." - Cookie
Another guy with two sidecars..... Hmmmm... must be something to that....
The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
"A guy with two sidecars can't be all bad." - Cookie
Another guy with two sidecars..... Hmmmm... must be something to that....
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