Bad starter?
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Bad starter?
Was going to start and tune my 78 project today.
I have a brand new AGM battery. I ran fuel lines to the pump, and one from the pump to a can. I added 3 gallons of gas to the tank.
I was going to crank it until gas came out of the pump. Then attach the line to carbs
Only cranked a few seconds at a time, Although probably more than I should have (never did get gas)
Then, it wouldn't crank again. Still had lights on, until I hit the button again, then lost all power.
Battery has 0 voltage, and if I connect a jump box and cross the solenoid it does nothing. I connected the jump box direct to the starter it does arc but not spin.
Did I toast the starter that quickly? Then that fry the battery?
Have you ever heard of a battery doing that? AGM and won't even light a test light.
I have a brand new AGM battery. I ran fuel lines to the pump, and one from the pump to a can. I added 3 gallons of gas to the tank.
I was going to crank it until gas came out of the pump. Then attach the line to carbs
Only cranked a few seconds at a time, Although probably more than I should have (never did get gas)
Then, it wouldn't crank again. Still had lights on, until I hit the button again, then lost all power.
Battery has 0 voltage, and if I connect a jump box and cross the solenoid it does nothing. I connected the jump box direct to the starter it does arc but not spin.
Did I toast the starter that quickly? Then that fry the battery?
Have you ever heard of a battery doing that? AGM and won't even light a test light.
Last edited by tory on Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Bad starter?
I have heard of getting a brand new battery that was no good. That is my bet.
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Re: Bad starter?
I agree. sounds like a bad battery
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Re: Bad starter?
Where did you get the Battery?
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Re: Bad starter?
Ebay. Yes I know, my own fault.
Although battery is definitely bad, when I put the battery from my 1200 in it, I did get power back. But no starter.
Could the starter take out the battery?
Although battery is definitely bad, when I put the battery from my 1200 in it, I did get power back. But no starter.
Could the starter take out the battery?
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Re: Bad starter?
Yes, where did you get the battery? ( ok, just read ebay)
Did you have to fill a dry-charged battery cells with an included electrolyte package?
Was the battery fully and correctly charged ( with an AGM type capable battery charger ) before you first time connected it to the bike's positive and negative cables.
Did you have to fill a dry-charged battery cells with an included electrolyte package?
Was the battery fully and correctly charged ( with an AGM type capable battery charger ) before you first time connected it to the bike's positive and negative cables.
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
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Re: Bad starter?
I would check the path of the voltage from the battery to the starter. Especialy the connections at the relay. And the ground at the frame. Check the battery voltage from pos. at the battery, to a good frame ground. Not across the battery. Starters are easy to repair. If you like, bring it by and I will take look at it. I do have a good spare, should it come to that.
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Re: Bad starter?
I was a filled, sealed AGM battery. I did peak it with an AGM charger.gltriker wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:35 pm Yes, where did you get the battery? ( ok, just read ebay)
Did you have to fill a dry-charged battery cells with an included electrolyte package?
Was the battery fully and correctly charged ( with an AGM type capable battery charger ) before you first time connected it to the bike's positive and negative cables.
It went from a good fast crank, to no crank, (just the solenoid click) to nothing (no lights 0 volts) in a matter of seconds.
Makes me wonder if the starter toasted, then when I hit the button again again it killed the battery.
But didn't crank dead. Just went from good to nothing.
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Re: Bad starter?
I checked a test light across the battery and was surprised it did not light. So I pulled the battery and put a meter on it. 0 volts.CYBORG wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:43 pm I would check the path of the voltage from the battery to the starter. Especialy the connections at the relay. And the ground at the frame. Check the battery voltage from pos. at the battery, to a good frame ground. Not across the battery. Starters are easy to repair. If you like, bring it by and I will take look at it. I do have a good spare, should it come to that.
With the other battery in, the lights (headlight, neutral light...) came back on, but only clicks.
I crossed the solenoid but still not crank. Then I ran a booster box direct to the starter. Neg on the long housing bolt, and Pos on the stud. It did nothing. I expected a spin.
I appreciate the offer fir help. I may take you up on it. May have to be an evening. Other wise it will be a couple weeks before I can get a day.
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Re: Bad starter?
submit a Warranty replacement or refund request to the ebay seller .
Cliff (74yrs )
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New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
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October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
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1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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Re: Bad starter?
With the booster I would have expected it to spin. You may have found a dead spot on the starter.
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Re: Bad starter?
Qny evening is fine. I'm retiredtory wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:56 pmI checked a test light across the battery and was surprised it did not light. So I pulled the battery and put a meter on it. 0 volts.CYBORG wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 6:43 pm I would check the path of the voltage from the battery to the starter. Especialy the connections at the relay. And the ground at the frame. Check the battery voltage from pos. at the battery, to a good frame ground. Not across the battery. Starters are easy to repair. If you like, bring it by and I will take look at it. I do have a good spare, should it come to that.
With the other battery in, the lights (headlight, neutral light...) came back on, but only clicks.
I crossed the solenoid but still not crank. Then I ran a booster box direct to the starter. Neg on the long housing bolt, and Pos on the stud. It did nothing. I expected a spin.
I appreciate the offer fir help. I may take you up on it. May have to be an evening. Other wise it will be a couple weeks before I can get a day.
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Re: Bad starter?
Thanks. Unfortunately I'm not. Lol
I've been traveling a lot for work lately, and have a family event next Saturday. But I'll call you when I can get some "my time" lol
I've been traveling a lot for work lately, and have a family event next Saturday. But I'll call you when I can get some "my time" lol
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Re: Bad starter?
I've never pulled a starter without the bike on the side stand.
This bike is strapped straight up and down on a table.
Am I safe to pull the starter out like this?
This bike is strapped straight up and down on a table.
Am I safe to pull the starter out like this?
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Re: Bad starter?
AGMs are fickle. If they have lost a charge they go bad really quick
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The question is not how much time do you have, it is what you do with the time that you have Gandalf
"One of the greatest dignities of humankind is that each successive generation is invested in the welfare of each new generation." Fred Rodgers
"it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert" ancient saying
78 constantly modified/customized since 1978, BOTM June 2015 de-evolving this very moment viewtopic.php?f=30&t=65511
76 Ltd "cookies bike" ALMOST DONE
79 project, finished, FOR SALE
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