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Reg/Rec.

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I recently discovered that my bike is overcharging the battery. 17-19 volts. I didn’t do any tests on the old one that was in it. I bought a cheap one online. It states it’s for this model year, but it had an extra wire. There was 3 yellow, two red, and 2 green as usual, but there was an extra black wire. I hooked up the normal wires, and left the black one to hang. I’m still overcharging. Besides this cheap reg/rec I bought, do y’all think anything else could be causing this? I’m thinking the only thing it could be is the reg/rec.
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millerdog wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 5:28 pm I recently discovered that my bike is overcharging the battery. 17-19 volts. I didn’t do any tests on the old one that was in it. I bought a cheap one online. I’m still overcharging. Besides this cheap reg/rec I bought, do y’all think anything else could be causing this? I’m thinking the only thing it could be is the reg/rec.
Read this.

https://ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=61000

Summer of 2012, I discovered on my '75 GL1000, entirely by chance, my bike's extreme overcharging rate of 17+vdc was solved by grounding the finned case of the original equipment rectifier assembly mounted on the front side of the battery frame.
There are other reasons, but the wiring harness and switches on my bike were not affecting the charging system operation.
Also, be 100% sure your bike's battery and its cable connections aren't part of the issue, too! 100%

I did, though, proactively install a used CBR600RR Rectifier/Regulator Assembly I ( and many others ) have sourced on ebay.
it's identified by this name Shindengen FH008BA has 3 yellow wires, 2 red wires and 2 green wires
--------------------------------- Shindengen FH008EE has 3 yellow wires, 1 red wire and 1 green wire
Read this excellent resource, too: action1
https://www.wingovations.com/regulatorrectifier
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NOTE: on the date of this post, 5/20/2023 a seller on ebay has at least 3 Shindengen FH008BA units listed
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144750635095?_ ... %3A2047675
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Re: Reg/Rec.

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My 76 always overcharged in my opinion which just killed the batteries, boiled them out, my friend convinced me that these new Deka sealed AGM batteries were the answer because they couldn’t boil off. Well that was better but not a cure, I installed a digital voltage gauge and was surprised at how high it was charging. 16-18 volts were not uncommon.

The 3 yellow wires from the stator’s connector were of course melted so I ended up cutting the plug out and just soldering those wires together but the overcharge continued. What finally fixed it was a new Mosfett regulator/rectifier from Ricks ,,, problem solved.

The CBR600 conversion has been a popular one for years and seems to fix the problem at a lower cost than my fix.The Rick’s R/R keeps my voltages very steady and really doesn’t fluctuate much. I’m happy with the results and the resulting much improved battery life. Cliff’s been a really good source on all this over the years. Let us know how you do.
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On my 79, the regulator failed and I replaced it with a cheapo R/R from ebay. I luvked out and it worked very well. I had also added a digital voltmeter to monitor (replacing the analog). I really liked that bike, but ran out of space, so it was dold a couple years ago.
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Thanks y’all. I ordered one from Electrosport Industries. It has the correct number of wires. We’ll see. It wasn’t cheap, so maybe it’ll be worth something. I’m crossing my fingers. Lol
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Perfect! :-D

red, I knew that robin1731 has used and is pleased with Rick's units. Plug and play I believe?
I hadn't see any reports/discussions about the Electrosport Industries unit. Please, let us know what your experience is with that unit, millerdog.

Although I haven't needed one for a loooooong time, occasionally I would search for a used oem CBR600RR rec./reg. assembly on ebay . Preferably, the Shindengen FH008BA variant. They were becoming much harder to find. The FH008EE variant, ( with 1 red wire-1 green wire) usually popped up in the 'used' Shindengen FH008 search.

I was surprised the ebay seller had more than one or two of the FH008BA units. Most times a Shindengen assembly's model number isn't shown in its ebay listing. This particular ebay seller knows what folks are looking for and displays it, prominently.
In order to find that guy's listings again, I had put that particular listing into my ebay listing "watch list."
- 2 days later, I received an email with a slightly reduced price offer, with free shipping. $35. hmmmm
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gltriker wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 2:33 pm Perfect! :-D

I knew that robin1731 has used and is pleased with Rick's units. Plug and play I believe?
I hadn't see any reports/discussions about the Electrosport unit. Please, let us know what your experience is with that unit, millerdog.

Although I haven't needed one for a loooooong time, occasionally I would search for a used oem CBR600RR rec./reg. assembly on ebay . Preferably, the Shindengen FH008BA variant. They were becoming much harder to find. The FH008EE variant, ( with 1 red wire-1 green wire) usually popped up in the real Shindengen FH008 search.

I was surprised the ebay seller had more than one or two of the FH008BA units. Most times the Shindengen assembly's model number isn't shown in the listing. He knows what folks are looking for and displays it, prominently.
In order to find that guy's listings again, I had put that particular listing into my ebay listing "watch list."
- 2 days later, I received an email with a slightly reduced price offer, with free shipping. $35. hmmmm
I’ll definitely let you guys know how it goes. I’ve been researching the one I have, and evidently that extra black wire is some sort of voltage sensor. It would probably work if I knew where to splice it in. Lol
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The sense wire goes to a switched power source, where it monitors the voltage in the system. Without it connected, I don't think it will regulate anything.
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Shadowjack wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 7:49 am The sense wire goes to a switched power source, where it monitors the voltage in the system. Without it connected, I don't think it will regulate anything.
Thanks for the info. I’m going to check it out. Maybe I can get it to work.
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Note that Shadowjack said "switched". If not, it might drain your battery.
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pidjones wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 12:30 pm Note that Shadowjack said "switched". If not, it might drain your battery.
When the Shindengen R/R was installed on my '75GL1000, this connection to the factory installed Regulator Assembly was taped over. The black wire is the switched 'sense" wire. It's Not used with the mosfet Shindengen FH008 R/R.

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significantly discharged AGM Battery voltage measured at its terminals with Key switch ON and rh "kill" switch set at RUN position. :oops:
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I have used the Electrosport unit as well, significantly less $$$ than Ricks MOSFET unit, problem is that I don’t remember where I used any, probably in my 76 LTD and/or my 77 cb750k7 which had a absolutely terrible factory setup that left me walking a couple of times, convinced me that a voltmeter on the handlebars is a good thing. just a terrible setup oe but better now.

The Ricks unit, again if I’m remembering correctly is actually made by Ricks when ordered using only military grade components to build it, at least that’s what I remember from my phone conversation with Rick when I questioned the cost of that unit. He does carry less costly units as well including the Electrospirt stuff. Which is better ? IN MY OPINION, the Rick’s Mofet unit is a better piece because it controls the voltage much better with very little variance no matter the rpm’s. But it is expensive !

Cliff’s CBR unit maybe a great answer here being only $30 well as being a mosfet piece, might have to buy one to put on the shelf !
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RMStator out of Quebec has a RR for the 1000 - 50 amp unit. $164.00 CDN. No affiliation, just promoting buy Canadian. May be an option. Lots of other items as well.
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The regulator's black wire is the "sense" wire. It tells the regulator what the system voltage is so that the regulator can adjust its output voltage to what it thinks is needed to charge the battery.
If everything else is as it should be connecting the sense wire to a black wire (switched power) in the bike's wiring should result in a charging voltage between 14 and 15V.
BUT if there is enough resistance in the connections, switches &c between the battery and the black wire to cause the voltage there to be lower than the battery voltage the regulator will think the battery's voltage is low and increase its output to increase the charge rate, resulting in the overcharging noted by several who have posted here.
The proper fix for this would be to go through everything between the battery and where the sense wire is connected and fix the dirty connections but that would be a lot of work so most people just connect the sense wire with the regulator's red wires (= directly to the battery). Since the regulator only uses the sense wire to measure the voltage any current flowing through it should be so low that most the meters home mechanics have can't measure it. In theory even a current that small could eventually discharge a battery but it would take so long that it isn't worth considering when compared to a lead acid battery's normal tendency to self discharge.
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BTW, the Reg/Rec for the GL1100 and the CX/GL500/650 models have the same Shindingen part number on them but different Honda part numbers due to wire length & connectors variations.

if you are looking to replace it with a new one this is a good option. Murray also has GoldWings so he might even be able to set one up with the correct connectors for your bike (or at least tell you how to connect it) if you ask him nicely
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