Red Belly 2.0
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Re: Red Belly (!)
A lot of the Chinese stuff is certainly lacking in directions. Some have a switch somewhere to choose two or four cylinders?? If not, would tapping into the second coil wire be possible to get the proper count? Or would that allow misfires at the coils?
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77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
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77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
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Re: Red Belly (!)
Actually this one had good instructions, I just overlooked them in the package until I had already tried a couple of other combinations. This does have a switch but it is for 4,6,8 cylinders, and at each higher setting the reading is lower. I was hoping some member with electronic knowledge would chime in with a solution. You might be on to something though, if I installed diodes on both sides of a splitter wire to keep the signal from back feeding. ??? I might try that after I get it back together.ericheath wrote:A lot of the Chinese stuff is certainly lacking in directions. Some have a switch somewhere to choose two or four cylinders?? If not, would tapping into the second coil wire be possible to get the proper count? Or would that allow misfires at the coils?
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The O-rings and gasket for the trans cover arrived a few days ago and it is back together, no leaks so far. Still getting some smoke out of the right exhaust after the engine gets warm. Not sure what that is about. The number 4 cylinder (left head) was reading low on compression so I would have expected a bit of smoke from that side.
Following Ericheath's suggestion, I made up a "y" cord with diodes in each side of the Y and connected these to the two coils, now I am able to get a "correct" reading from the tach when set for four cylinders. That is because each coil fires twice per revolution thus the tach can read the impulses as if they were coming from a distributor that would fire four times for four cylinders. The diodes prevent the trigger signal from one of the coils back-feeding to the other coil, thus screwing up the ignition timing.
I have ordered some parts to construct a set of "rear set" controls. Until I am able to make those work, I can't really do any serious riding of this bike. I am still concerned about the engine, but as it runs OK on the table, I will have to wait to get it on the road before I know if it will be satisfactory or if I will have to replace the engine.
Following Ericheath's suggestion, I made up a "y" cord with diodes in each side of the Y and connected these to the two coils, now I am able to get a "correct" reading from the tach when set for four cylinders. That is because each coil fires twice per revolution thus the tach can read the impulses as if they were coming from a distributor that would fire four times for four cylinders. The diodes prevent the trigger signal from one of the coils back-feeding to the other coil, thus screwing up the ignition timing.
I have ordered some parts to construct a set of "rear set" controls. Until I am able to make those work, I can't really do any serious riding of this bike. I am still concerned about the engine, but as it runs OK on the table, I will have to wait to get it on the road before I know if it will be satisfactory or if I will have to replace the engine.
Bikes at present:
83 XL 600r with a 2004 XR650L engine
And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
83 XL 600r with a 2004 XR650L engine
And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
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Re: Red Belly (!)
It will be interesting to see if the diodes last.
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77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
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Re: Red Belly (!)
They were removed from a GL harness at some point so should be heavy-duty, but the thought crossed my mind.ericheath wrote:It will be interesting to see if the diodes last.
Bikes at present:
83 XL 600r with a 2004 XR650L engine
And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
83 XL 600r with a 2004 XR650L engine
And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
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Things have been moving slowly here, travel, weather, laziness, etc. but I have spent a good deal of time trying to work out the engineering for my rear set controls. (hours sitting on my work stool pondering in the pose of Rodin's Thinker) I believe I have a solution now for the brake side, it looks a bit like Darrel and his brother Darrel did the engineering but as near as I can tell without a test ride, it seems to work.Tomorrow I plan to start the shifter side. I will have the hardware powder coated in gloss black to match the pegs and maybe it will look better. Once I get the rear sets sorted the bike will be essentially finished. But as I have mentioned a couple of times, I still don't have great confidence in the engine so only riding will answer that question.
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83 XL 600r with a 2004 XR650L engine
And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
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And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
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Re: Red Belly (!)
Wow you moved the pegs back quite a ways! Feel okay sitting on the bike?
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77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
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Re: Red Belly (!)
I am liking this thing more and more every time you post. I like what you're doing with the rear sets, and think after you put the brackets on a diet that will work out very well.
... But I do take one thing:
... But I do take one thing:
Since my name is actually Darrell, I would think you're in good hands!Darrel and his brother Darrel
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No offense Darrel, I hope everyone gets the reference to the old TV comedy.desertrefugee wrote:I am liking this thing more and more every time you post. I like what you're doing with the rear sets, and think after you put the brackets on a diet that will work out very well.
... But I do take one thing:
Since my name is actually Darrell, I would think you're in good hands!Darrel and his brother Darrel
Eric, I think it sits well,certainly doesn't feel like the pegs are too far back.
Bikes at present:
83 XL 600r with a 2004 XR650L engine
And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
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And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
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Lol. No offense taken. I wish I had a buck for every time somebody asked me where my other brother was, though!
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Multi-part question - have you checked that the pegs won't limit lean angle since they don't look to be folding type, how do you plan to work the exhaust around them, and have you checked that your knees won't hit the valve covers when leaned over like that?
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Re: Red Belly (!)
To the extent possible while on the table but I don't forsee a problem.pidjones wrote:Multi-part question - have you checked that the pegs won't limit lean angle since they don't look to be folding type, how do you plan to work the exhaust around them, and have you checked that your knees won't hit the valve covers when leaned over like that?
Stock headers pass behind them with no interference.
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83 XL 600r with a 2004 XR650L engine
And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
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And a slightly worse for the wear BMW GS adventure bike awaiting repair
83 GL in process
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Re: Red Belly (!)
Looks just from the various pics that the case guards might ground first .... .... might be worth having some sort of flexible 'feeler' somewhere to warn you not to drag any hard bits ??
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A piece of plywood held at angle could tell.
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1975 Red GL1000 project - ex Pistol Pete project
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1976 Yamaha RD400c
1978 GL1000 with '75 engine - the Hunley
Ex 1978 GL1000
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Ex '79 CB750F rat bike
Ex '86 SEi
Ex '77 GL1000
Ex '76 RD400
Ex '72 Penton 125 set up for flat track
Ex '73 RD250
Ex '68 TR6C - chopped
Ex 2006 GL1800 - the Black Pearl SOLD! to make room for:
2021 Can-Am Spyder RT Limited Dark Chalk Metallic
1975 Red GL1000 project - ex Pistol Pete project
1972 Triumph T150V Trident rescue - finished and FOR SALE!
1976 Yamaha RD400c
1978 GL1000 with '75 engine - the Hunley
Ex 1978 GL1000
Ex 1979 GL1000
Ex '79 CB750F rat bike
Ex '86 SEi
Ex '77 GL1000
Ex '76 RD400
Ex '72 Penton 125 set up for flat track
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Re: Red Belly (!)
Engines are easy. it is the rest of the bike that takes all the effort. So even if you need a heart transplant you are miles ahead!Easter wrote:SNIP I still don't have great confidence in the engine so only riding will answer that question.
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