Hoping for the best with a $300 1976 GL1000

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Re: Hoping for the best with a $300 1976 GL1000

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Not much to report right now ...except....

I already have some nice hex head bolts for the transmission case/water pump. We got them from Dixie motorcycle warehouse selling at a pre-auction sale . Also i am probably gonna order three o-rings from Mother Honda because I am not confident the kit has the exact correct size. Also, someone here [do not remember who] mentioned he has more confidence that an OEM transmission gasket will maintain the correct clearance for easy shifting, so add that to the order And who really wants water to get in the oil?. The $35.00 rebuild kit for the water pump itself was fine and is not that bad to do if you do the steps as instructed and in the correct order. So another delay in getting the engine buttoned up

Once the bike runs , I think I will order a new pump [spare] from Honda just in case they quit making them...

I keep reminding myself that I have plenty of little jobs to do like rebuilding brakes and such. I finally just decided to clean the engine's undersides and behind the muffler ports and the original paint on the engine looks surprisingly good all over [and under]. It will never be this accessible to get at the nooks and crannies, so why not?
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Re: Hoping for the best with a $300 1976 GL1000

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I found with the 1000's the transmission cover did not have clearance issues with aftermarket gaskets. I cannot say the same for our 1200 as it has a thing there to indicate the gearing
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Thanks a lot for the info on the gasket. Saves me some time and money
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rcmatt007 wrote:I found with the 1000's the transmission cover did not have clearance issues with aftermarket gaskets. I cannot say the same for our 1200 as it has a thing there to indicate the gearing
I've only heard/read of people having issues on the 1000.

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I have never had a problem,...but I only use OEM gaskets
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robin1731 wrote:
rcmatt007 wrote:I found with the 1000's the transmission cover did not have clearance issues with aftermarket gaskets. I cannot say the same for our 1200 as it has a thing there to indicate the gearing
I've only heard/read of people having issues on the 1000.

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yes I have heard/read as well. I have always used aftermarket on the 1000's and never had a problem... but as I mentioned only OEM on the 1200
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I think there are good aftermarket ones,...problem is knowing which are good. OEM are always good
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I used ebay aftermarket gaskets on my 78 and didn't have any problem.
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Well, It is not expensive for the transmission gasket from Honda anyway. We are at the '' you might as well'' stage of the project or the mission creep stage maybe. The bike is pretty easy to get at things with the wheels, gas tank, brake calipers and such things removed. It was all cleaned up except for all the stuff that leaked from the valve covers.

I can't locate pictures of the final stage of cleaning of the bottom side, but it it almost perfect at this point. Probably for the best for the satisfaction it creates as well as spotting oil weeps upon start up.

I decided to bite the bullet and cut those timing belts so the idlers could be examined. Add that to the list and now the front end will be completely refreshed. Then more mission creep seems to be happening. With every thing off the engine, i wonder if now would be a good time to pull the engine get at the oil screen?. The bike will have to be lowered without wheels to position the lift from the other side and also the drive shaft removed , but it would be much more difficult to do it later.

You have to wonder what demonic mind conceived placing a JIS cross head screw behind the engine frame. :IDTS:
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Concerning the oil pick-up screen, I did my last one by removing all of the front motor mounts and the two bottom rear bolts and tilting the front of the engine downward enough for access. Saved me pulling the drive shaft, etc. as well as the 'since I've got it out, I might as well paint it...' stage, lol.
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The engine is Out. I am happy that it is done. used some Deep Creep and shocked the screws with a punch and hit enough with an alectric impact screw gun. Waited till this morning, Shocked them again and the screws came right out. The screen had a few hard [maybe carbon ] bits--no big deal. The sump was outstandingly clean with only a smudge of blackened oil in the bottom, but now it looks factory new in there after fussing with it a bit.

The frame is hanging from the ceiling like a gutted deer--nose down. hardly any rust whatsoever, but the paint around the welds needs spiffing up.Pictures are coming. I am having a blast. Lord almighty that engine is heavy. Now it is sitting on a rolling assembly table. They are said to weigh 238#

My sentences are short. I must be tired. Time for bed.
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you are right about how heavy they are... and awkward even for two people! I made a wooden dolly with caster wheels to move it about, and now have the spare engine(s) on them
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The plans are now to treat the center stand and any low areas on the frame with Agri-guard, and then paint I think of the stuff as a less fussy version of POR-15. If it works under mower decks, it just works, although POR is not in my realm of experience. I plan to get inside the starter clutch and lube it at a minimum and possibly do the seals on the water tubes on the top of the engine. The driveshaft tube is loaded with greasy goo but the service manual is not oriented to removing it from the pumpkin. I was wondering more about that ,so i guess a look at the parts fiche may help.

The center stand build from the factory is sort of amazing to me--a bunch of little parts welded together like you might find on the scrap pile and assemble together. It just does not fit with the overall elegance of the bike. I mean, come on, there is a little thunder chicken on the iNSIDE of the oil screen , for example.. At least my lower frame and center stand are as new, thanks to it being a western bike and also the oil breather bottle not being cleaned out keeping things rust free.

If anyone has any advice about further service to the engine while it is out of the bike, I am all ears.
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Cleaning final stage

I finally did the base and finished the low areas..Spray with kero, brush,dig with sharp stick, Rinse and repeat. Not for the faint of heart laying on your back...









Still a bit to go, but you get the idea.
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Engine Removal

I wanted to pull the engine to make it easier to treat any rust I needed to get at on the frame. In order to do that, construction of a more stable engine mount pad was the first priority. I used a Bronco adjustable scaffold to support the rear and my work table on the front. The motorcycle lift itself is resting on a wheeled pad of plywood with quality casters that will roll in any direction which really helped in separating the propeller shaft. Once the engine was on the move, I had to build a little wood bridge to get it on the work table. No chances were taken here. The wooden extensions were screwed directly to the table top and supported with a cleat.

Slide it across and time for a festival brew. I can see engine paint happening now, although the original plan was just to see if the bike would run.
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