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Re: Damn I Hate houses on Slabs!

Post #16 by Whiskerfish » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:55 pm

RAT wrote:Hope this works out .... way beyond my supervising skills though ....

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Kind of doubt that! I have seen you very skillfully supervise some pretty intricate stuff anim-cheers1 anim-cheers1 anim-cheers1 anim-cheers1
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Re: Damn I Hate houses on Slabs!

Post #17 by sunnbobb » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:43 am

Wow, what a nightmare. I actually like slabs. The problem with slabs is that people (contractors) don't build them properly. I deal with alot of slabs for greenhouses and see stupid stuff all the time. It is actually very easy to do it right. First is to make certain there is good drainage around the perimeter. Then pour the slab on top of 2" rigid foam that is sitting on a vapor barrier. Also, if I can get to the job before the slab is poured I instruct the contractor to include fiber in the mix. While most use rebar or wire mesh, fiber is the very best thing you can do in addition to the rebar and such. A slab with fiber in the mix will not crack, period.And, fiber is cheap. I also make them seal the concrete before any flooring is applied. All of these simple things will result in a slab that is not an energy suck, doesn't crack, and won't release humidity while it takes the next ten years to cure. Lastly, I make them take a picture of the plumbing and electrical layout that is going to be under the concrete, and ALL plastic lines must have a detect wire, so a metal detector can find the lines later if needed. The main reason I like slabs is for moisture (none gets under the house), heat efficiency (insulated slab acts like a thermal mass to mitigate extremes in temp) and rodents (never have to worry about the little bastards).
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Post #18 by raiddrten » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:23 pm

I wonder if a macerator from an upflush toilet like they use in a basement could be used to move the sink outflow where it needs to go?

I cannnot tell from your drawing which direction the drain water is flowing. Where does the main drain exit the house?

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Post #19 by ericheath » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:29 pm

I like slabs as well, but plumbing has to be done right, period, exclamation point. I like slabs here because everywhere here there’s water 2’-8’ below ground. And if it’s 8’ , a wet spell will happen where it’s 2’ for a while. Properly poured walls, with proper drainage and good sump pumps can work. Power outages happen. The ice storm of 97 soaked tons of basements in NW Minnesota because they lost power for ten days. In the frozen north, rebar is mandatory, and everything here will crack. Period. Fiber doesn’t cut it. What cuts it is - cutting it. Yes I’ve had a little Cap’n Morgan and it’s only 1:00pm. Cutting lines per code eliminates the look of jagged cracks and creates the crack. I told the guys who poured my extremely out of square garage not to bother with cutting lines. But I personally tied the or re-tied all joints, made sure spacing was 18” OC, and that the perimeter and footing and curb was all solid. I also make sure that all bar is suspended in the concrete. Those little plastic rebar holders can top over easily if the guys pouring aren’t careful, so I watch like a hawk. If it tips over, I go grab it and pick it up. It cracked as soon as it got cold. They always do here, but with a decent perimeter all tied in and a grid of properly sized rebar, it can’t go anywhere. I will be shocked if the cracks ever open.

I can’t tell you how many slabs I’ve pulled up where the rebar is non-existent, or all rusted out in the dirt. The same with wire mesh.

One of these get togethers, I’ll get to meet a few of you. When you see how I walk, you’ll know I poured a few thousand yards.

I’m not saying this to diss Sunnbobbs comments about fiber. You have to know your zone. People who leave a house with a basement here unheated for a cold winter usually come back to cracked walls. Even 8’ down with good footings and rebar. Freezing ground is powerful and expands.
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Post #20 by Whiskerfish » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:07 am

raiddrten wrote:I wonder if a macerator from an upflush toilet like they use in a basement could be used to move the sink outflow where it needs to go?

I cannnot tell from your drawing which direction the drain water is flowing. Where does the main drain exit the house?


Inside the Garage on the left side is the washer and dryer so I know part of the drain system is there and I "suspect" the Kitchen drain runs to that. It exits out the bottom of the drawing toward the street but I have not tried to find it yet. I have numerous other projects there and need to give her some time before I mention tackling this again. She had a plumber out a couple years ago and he threw out a number of $10,000 and she is scared of that. Pretty sure even with tool rentals and such I can do it for a lot less than a grand. When I do the first steps will be a camera to evaluate and then a metal detector to map it out then decide on a course of action. Probably going to be a few months before I really get into it.
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Post #21 by sunnbobb » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:10 am

Eric, I was recommending fiber in addition to rebar.. :)
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Post #22 by ericheath » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:19 pm

anim-cheers1 first time I saw it, I thought some had decided to dispose of a few cats.
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Post #23 by raiddrten » Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:18 pm

Well we have our own slab story. The relative who found the $300.00 1976GL1000 for me has a bathroom that stinks to high heaven because the tub is without a trap. A toilet sits in one corner and we discovered a trench that held the sink drain. The sink drain ran the the main drain line behind the toilet and the installer cut a small square hole in the main drain and butted the sink drain to the hole and covered the joint with concrete. :IDTS:

We don't even know where the old bathtub drains to :lol: We wrecked out the tub and will replace it with a shower with an integral waterproof membrane. Just easier to do with the custom size requirements of the new shower pan.

I have a decent size Hilti percussion drill and we walked across that floor like a boss drilling a series of 1.5" holes through that slab at about one hole in thirty seconds. What machine! The concrete was so pulverized that we left the reinforcing mat intact so the new concrete will bind with the old. Four hours and the prep is done for all new DWV pipe to the toilet, sink, and shower.

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Post #24 by Whiskerfish » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:45 pm

I still have not tackled this but it is on my list. A lady I talk to every day (school crossing guard where I walk my dogs) is married to an independent plumber. I think I will talk to him about renting his services for a day just so I have my head right before I start. Have him help me run the camera and metal detector and make sure my plan is solid before I start tearing stuff up. I been using up all her money as fast as she makes it so may have to take a break and let her save up some first.
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Post #25 by sunnbobb » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:56 pm

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Post #26 by Whiskerfish » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:05 am

Will look tonight. Headed out the door for a dog adoption event.
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Re: Damn I Hate houses on Slabs!

Post #27 by rcmatt007 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:17 pm

I ad one house with a slab.... the plumber got the measurement off for the half-bath so that area got jack-hammered. In Tulsa there is so much clay people have to water the house perimeter during hot spells... and then there are the contractors who merely lay the rebar on the dirt and pour over it :evil:

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