My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
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- John Schmidt
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My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
Couple days ago while I had the radiator off I decided to double check the timing so pulled the plugs to ease the turning of the engine in neutral. All plugs appeared to be sooty black, not wet....just sooty. To me that spells "rich" so now that it's all back together, I want to lean out the fuel/air mix. Problem is...my recollection muscle doesn't seem to have as much gray matter functioning as in years past, so which way leans out the mixture; screwing them out or in(the pilot screws)?
PS: Timing was spot on, just finished reconditioning the starter and it turns over real good now, everything working great so far, motor/bike runs like a banshee. Just remember to put the cap back on the crankcase when done checking the timing and before you start the motor. Don't ask......@#&*%@#!!!
PS: Timing was spot on, just finished reconditioning the starter and it turns over real good now, everything working great so far, motor/bike runs like a banshee. Just remember to put the cap back on the crankcase when done checking the timing and before you start the motor. Don't ask......@#&*%@#!!!
1984 GL1200 Standard, work in progress
1998 Valkyrie Tourer, my Honda Davidson
1998 Valkyrie Tourer, my Honda Davidson
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
in is lean..out is fat.
1982 1100 standard. (sold)
1986 Yamaha FJ1200
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1976 GoldWing. running but not on the road
1978 Goldwing. future cafe project.
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1986 Yamaha FJ1200
2000 Yamaha Roadstar
1976 GoldWing. running but not on the road
1978 Goldwing. future cafe project.
2019 Can-Am ryker (boss's new ride)
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- John Schmidt
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
OK, thanks, the carbs are similar to those on my Valkyrie and that's the way it works on them but just wanted to make sure. Big difference in accessing them, these are where you can get to them easily but the Valk is a PITA and takes a special shape tool to boot.
1984 GL1200 Standard, work in progress
1998 Valkyrie Tourer, my Honda Davidson
1998 Valkyrie Tourer, my Honda Davidson
- Lucien Harpress
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
Best way I remember it is that the location of the screw determines what it adjusts- before the carb body, it's air. After the carb body, it's fuel.
After that, it's just like a valve- In turns it off, out turns it on.
(Now, don't ask my any advice on the CORRECT way to set them, because that is a mystery I have so far been unable to solve.... )
After that, it's just like a valve- In turns it off, out turns it on.
(Now, don't ask my any advice on the CORRECT way to set them, because that is a mystery I have so far been unable to solve.... )
1997 Valkyrie- Light Cutomization, but Too Busy Riding
1980 KZ1300- Bike's Haunted
1976 GL1000 (Yellow)- It Runs (Poorly) and Doesn't Leak (Mostly)
1974 Velosolex 3800- Better Than Walking
1972 CB750- Broke the Chain And Ate the Motor
1969 CT90- The Most Fun You Can Have on 90ccs.
1965 CA77 Dream- Needs a Full Teardown, but Complete
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1980 KZ1300- Bike's Haunted
1976 GL1000 (Yellow)- It Runs (Poorly) and Doesn't Leak (Mostly)
1974 Velosolex 3800- Better Than Walking
1972 CB750- Broke the Chain And Ate the Motor
1969 CT90- The Most Fun You Can Have on 90ccs.
1965 CA77 Dream- Needs a Full Teardown, but Complete
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
what? the location of the screw...... before the carb body........ after the carb body.Lucien Harpress wrote:Best way I remember it is that the location of the screw determines what it adjusts- before the carb body, it's air. After the carb body, it's fuel.
After that, it's just like a valve- In turns it off, out turns it on.
(Now, don't ask my any advice on the CORRECT way to set them, because that is a mystery I have so far been unable to solve.... )
yes, that is a mystery.
I need pictures or something, anything to explain this, please.
Cliff (74yrs )
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
gltriker wrote:what? the location of the screw...... before the carb body........ after the carb body.Lucien Harpress wrote:Best way I remember it is that the location of the screw determines what it adjusts- before the carb body, it's air. After the carb body, it's fuel.
After that, it's just like a valve- In turns it off, out turns it on.
(Now, don't ask my any advice on the CORRECT way to set them, because that is a mystery I have so far been unable to solve.... )
yes, that is a mystery.
I need pictures or something, anything to explain this, please.
Layman's way, after the body=GL1000. Before the body =GL1100. Easy enough?
.
1976 Goldwing Super Sport
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1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
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and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
Easy enough?robin1731 wrote:gltriker wrote:what? the location of the screw...... before the carb body........ after the carb body.Lucien Harpress wrote:Best way I remember it is that the location of the screw determines what it adjusts- before the carb body, it's air. After the carb body, it's fuel.
After that, it's just like a valve- In turns it off, out turns it on.
(Now, don't ask my any advice on the CORRECT way to set them, because that is a mystery I have so far been unable to solve.... )
yes, that is a mystery.
I need pictures or something, anything to explain this, please.
Layman's way, after the body=GL1000. Before the body =GL1100. Easy enough?
.
GL1000 body vs. GL1100 body..... after vs. before.....fuel vs. air
Luke offered "the screw" adjusts fuel in one carb body configuration? and "the screw" adjusts air in another carb body configuration?
Is "the screw" a pilot fuel delivery volume adjuster in one carb body, and an air volume adjuster screw in the other carb body?
Respectfully, my pressing for meaningful clarification was a pointless waste of your time, Robin.
Let's just pretend I never inquired.
Done.
Completely
Cliff (74yrs )
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/page/ST
^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
Yeah, that came out totally wrong.
.
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1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
How about this one. If the screw is on the intake/air filter side of the carb that is before the body. If it is on the head side of the carb that is after the body. Think of it as the way the air/fuel flows through the carb.
Best way to set them? When you get the highest idle speed as you adjust them.
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Best way to set them? When you get the highest idle speed as you adjust them.
.
1976 Goldwing Super Sport
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
Are you sure the choke is adjusted correct? The 1200 uses an enriching circuit which adds fuel, and if partially on, bike will run well, but rich looking on the plugs. Make sure it is off both at the bars and the carbs
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
Yes, that was the first thing I checked. I'll have some time this weekend to mess with it, at least the adj. screws are easy to get at. I'll be putting the bike up for sale soon and want to make sure everything is running top notch.CYBORG wrote:Are you sure the choke is adjusted correct? The 1200 uses an enriching circuit which adds fuel, and if partially on, bike will run well, but rich looking on the plugs. Make sure it is off both at the bars and the carbs
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Re: My 1200 appears to running a bit rich.
John, change the O rings on the carb connector tubes. My son's 1200 was running very rich and I found some of the O rings were dry and cracked. Changed them all and the bike runs perfectly again.
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