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When is a motorcycle a car.

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Saw this in Switzerland, when I was there in May
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Car type seat, 4 point seat belt, Windscreen wipers with washer fluid, Full roll cage when does it stop being a bike!
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you see Bently's, Jags, Porsches parked on the street, crime rate minimal and the push bikes motorcycles ride in all weather.
Of course they are used to the cold but still made me feel like a wimp, now when people in Australia say it's cold today I just smile.
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Since they market these Polaris slingshot contraptions as motorcycles.... I guess it's all open to interpretation.
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Steering wheel makes it a car. IMHO
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Steering wheel plus side by side seating makes it a car. It isn’t a motorcycle with sidecar.
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I think two wheels is a motorcycle, and I wouldn't like to wear a seat belt even on the BMW200.
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As I recall, some places that required helmets on other motorcycles and scooters didn't require them on those BMW scooters because of the full roll cage and full harness.

In most places up to 3 wheels is a motorcycle and 4 wheels is a car/truck and as such has to have the side pillars &c that a full sized car has. Bombardier ran into that when they decided to design a road going ATV so the Spyder had to have 3 wheels instead, making it more like a road going snowmobile...

As for the Slingshot, it seems that every picture of it I see looks uglier than the last one. If I was going to spend that much money for something with a steering wheel I'd probably look at cars instead and if I was really determined to have something with 3 wheels I would want something with a bit more class
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I give my uncle the hardest time about this hideous thing. (Opinions on the custom paint aside). I tell him it ain’t a bike and I won’t be seen anywhere near it. That said, if you’re gonna strap in, I’d take this over that thing in op. Neither is a motorcycle imo.
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it seems that our states had a mishmash of laws as to what was a car and what was a motorcycle. Trikes seemed pretty easy, but what about spyders… and so on. So those laws have tried to now have some uniformity. None of the three wheelers meet the safety standards of a "car"....

Interesting... the reason Morgan made three wheelers in England was it was a MC and therefore taxed at a much cheaper rate.
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dontwantapickle wrote:Since they market these Polaris slingshot contraptions as motorcycles.... I guess it's all open to interpretation.
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In my state, these are registered as MCs.

The driver/rider here doesn't have to wear a helmet but I have yet to see a passenger in one of these wearing a helmet.

Would be interesting if a passenger got a ticket for no helmet.
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I'm in the steering wheel = car camp. Can they be sporty and fun to drive, yes. Motorcycles don't have steering wheels. I don't fit in a Slingshot or a T-Rex, have never sat in a Morgan. I've ridden trikes and Spyders and I'll take a Spyder over a normal trike any day!
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my understanding is that it's up to specific state laws.
that being said, I think most states consider it a motorcycle if it has less than four wheels.
since I've been planning my reverse trike for 30+ years I've done a bit of research in various states.
FWIW: from what I've learned, I can get away without wearing a helmet, even though it's licensed as a motorcycle, if I have a sit-in seat and a steering wheel.
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heraldhamster wrote:my understanding is that it's up to specific state laws.
that being said, I think most states consider it a motorcycle if it has less than four wheels.
since I've been planning my reverse trike for 30+ years I've done a bit of research in various states.
FWIW: from what I've learned, I can get away without wearing a helmet, even though it's licensed as a motorcycle, if I have a sit-in seat and a steering wheel.
Law hasn't been updated here to reflect the new machines.

If it wears a MC plate, it's a MC under the law.
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Hey guys.... let's ride our "motorcycles".
Do you think the Hell's Angels will let us join? I mean, after all, we're all "bikers".
Man.... I feel just like Peter Fonda behind the steering wheel of my Chopper.
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Here it is a MC..... therefore helmet required

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From what I have read some states have introduced a new vehicle classification for vehicles with 3 wheels and a steering wheel. IIRC, they are calling them cyclecars or something like that.
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