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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #31 by ritalz » Wed May 13, 2020 6:13 pm

Motor won't turn over even with a wrench on the rear bolt. Rear wheel doesn't turn easy enough to help, may be the brake is stuck. Spent most of my time today cleaning lots of dirt and grease from the motor. Pulled the oil drain plug and mostly water came out. Heads were already off and what I can see of the cylinder walls still look good. Removed the stator covers, front floorboards, crash bars and exhaust system. That gives me more room to work.
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #32 by Track T 2411 » Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 pm

How long has the engine been sitting with the heads off?
You might have better luck turning the engine over with the front crank bolt. You can get more leverage.
When you said you thought you'd start in on this bike I figured you'd do an engine swap after seeing the heads had been removed.
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'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

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'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!

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'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #33 by ritalz » Wed May 13, 2020 7:02 pm

I'm just checking the possibilities. Would rather freshen up the heads and install new gaskets than swap motors. The other motor had a poor showing when I did the compression check. Test conditions weren't the best either. No idea how long the heads have been off. Decision will have to wait at least a little while to see if this one will break loose.
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1981 Silverwing Sold
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #34 by pidjones » Wed May 13, 2020 7:05 pm

I bought one a little like that (a '79) about a year ago. Cylinder walls didn't bother me as much as the rust on the gears and such. The crank is going to be an art piece some day. Pistons and rods look good and the bearings (marked carefully with position and the case markings) saved away. ~40% of the carb parts were useful. Some of the harness and switches were used on two other builds. The present project (a '78) had a rusted cross-member where the center stand mounts and the removable piece. I put the removable piece on the '78 and then a friend cut the cross member (and the gussets added in '79) and spliced that into the '78 frame. Also had a good front wheel and bucket of various parts (no starter motor). The frame had no other value because it had no serial number. I got my money back out of it, I guess. The engine block and trany were given to a friend that does metal recycle.
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #35 by ritalz » Fri May 15, 2020 10:49 pm

Spent the afternoon doing several odds and ends while soaking and rocking. The transmission seems ok as it shifts into all gears. Rocking the rear wheel and applying pressure to the rear bolt made no noticeable difference. Not sure if there is any way to tell what is causing the lock up. Still hoping it will break free before too long.
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1981 Silverwing Sold
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #36 by pidjones » Sat May 16, 2020 7:39 am

Water in the crankcase leads to rusted gears and both sides of the cylinder walls. It took sledge hammer and two crowbars to get my junker engine apart (after two weeks penetrant soak). At least it was instructional.

Rings on these seldom go that bad and heads are easy rebuilt. The other motor looks like your runner with this one a parts supply.

BTW, inspect the frame cross-member where the center stand mounts. They tend to collect water and rust out. Mostly important for the center stand, but that stand is very useful on such a heavy bike. In '79 they gusseted that cross-member.
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #37 by ritalz » Sat May 16, 2020 10:34 am

Surprisingly, there isn't much rust to deal with. The exposed cylinder walls are in very good condition. The transmission changes gears very easily while rocking the rear wheel. Kind of makes me think something else is causing the problem.
Al

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1981 Silverwing Sold
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Post #38 by ritalz » Mon May 18, 2020 11:39 pm

Ran a good compression test today with acceptable results. Dry numbers were from 90 to 120, wet was 120 to 155. Number 3 was the lowest on both tests. This motor has been sitting for a few years so hopefully the numbers will increase as it gets some run time. Spent the rest of the afternoon stripping and preparing to pull the motor. Not much more than the drive shaft before it comes out. Rain keeps interrupting my progress. Gotta finish parting the 81 and clean up my work area. I'll have sell off some parts to make room real soon.
Al

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1976 Goldwing 'Grocery Getter' Sold
1985 Goldwing Interstate 'NCC-1985'
1981 Silverwing Sold
1982 Goldeing Project Sold
1981 Goldwing Parted Out
1983 Goldwing New Project
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #39 by ritalz » Tue May 19, 2020 9:09 pm

Motor is out, the circle clip was a pita as always. Most of the rear half is reduced to parts and a bucket of loose bolts. Next up is the front end and dash. Then maybe I can start on the 83. Two bikes in my small work area is not much fun.
Al

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1976 Goldwing 'Grocery Getter' Sold
1985 Goldwing Interstate 'NCC-1985'
1981 Silverwing Sold
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1981 Goldwing Parted Out
1983 Goldwing New Project
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #40 by ritalz » Fri May 22, 2020 11:00 pm

Pulled the locked up motor out of the 83 today. Did a bunch of cleaning in the cavity and checked for rust on the frame. Still not seeing any more than normal rust for the age of the bike. I'm hoping that tomorrow I can set the 81 motor in the frame and start putting it back together.
Al

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1976 Goldwing 'Grocery Getter' Sold
1985 Goldwing Interstate 'NCC-1985'
1981 Silverwing Sold
1982 Goldeing Project Sold
1981 Goldwing Parted Out
1983 Goldwing New Project
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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #41 by 77Gowing » Fri May 22, 2020 11:43 pm

ritalz wrote:Pulled the locked up motor out of the 83 today. Did a bunch of cleaning in the cavity and checked for rust on the frame. Still not seeing any more than normal rust for the age of the bike. I'm hoping that tomorrow I can set the 81 motor in the frame and start putting it back together.

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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #42 by Track T 2411 » Sat May 23, 2020 1:12 am

You're making great progress!
"I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein

"He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail" - Abraham Maslow

"If you can't take the time to do it right the first time, how are you ever going to find the time to do it over?" -Unknown

Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!

In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
New2U Bike? Read Me.

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Re: I'm a sucker for a good priced project

Post #43 by ritalz » Wed May 27, 2020 10:22 pm

Had to back off for a couple of days to work on other things. Setting up what looks to be my next car, a 2012 Equinox. Legal stuff may get in the way as it is coming from an estate. I'm sure the DMV will have me jump through several hoops to get the title transferred.

I did get the donor motor into the frame. Did a continuity check on the stator before hand so I hope it is ok. Inch by inch.
Al

1975 Goldwing 'Max'
1976 Goldwing 'Grocery Getter' Sold
1985 Goldwing Interstate 'NCC-1985'
1981 Silverwing Sold
1982 Goldeing Project Sold
1981 Goldwing Parted Out
1983 Goldwing New Project
1973 CB500F Long Gone
1966 CL77 First Street Bike
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