Felt up
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- dexter
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Felt up
After reading hundreds of posts here and everywhere about carburetor felt installation, lubrication (dry, silicone, light oil) and of course, the mysterious hole behind the felt....I did as follows; soaked the felt with 30w motor oil, plugged the holes with epoxy, and, dressed the face of the felt cavity where the steel or fiber washers ride. I can just get a razer blade behind the washers to re-lube in the future. I'll let you know what if anything happens, I still want to know what the holes are for? Dexter
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- robin1731
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Re: Felt up
Why did you plug the hole??!!
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1976 Goldwing Super Sport
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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Re: Felt up
The holes are for "drying" the felt out if they get wet. It lets air circulate through the felt when the engine is running.
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- dexter
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Re: Felt up
The felt was burnt out at the hole, I guess from gas and back fire. A random leak is the last thing I need to get four carbs to work together via mixture and vacuum sync. The felt can't get wet, not that it would matter.
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- robin1731
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Re: Felt up
You don't have to take the word of a Randakk approved rebuilder. Read below about those felt "seals".
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67538
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viewtopic.php?f=54&t=67538
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1976 Goldwing Super Sport
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
- dexter
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Re: Felt up
Great Post, All back together with best performance ever.
Three new things done, New felts (30w oil soaked, filled mystery holes), set floats at both right and left ends instead of just at valve end, fixed air leak in base of idle control valve. The old O rings were stiff from ethanal, but appeared to still function? Runs smooth and strong, compression is 125 dry on one cylinder, 160 x3?? I suspect the ACV leak was some of the problem and recommend, when installing carbs, to slide in the carb rack and pull it to rear to install idle control valve clear of frame to get both screws torqued down even. I also did the current off idle fix specific to 76 GL's. By gota ride
Three new things done, New felts (30w oil soaked, filled mystery holes), set floats at both right and left ends instead of just at valve end, fixed air leak in base of idle control valve. The old O rings were stiff from ethanal, but appeared to still function? Runs smooth and strong, compression is 125 dry on one cylinder, 160 x3?? I suspect the ACV leak was some of the problem and recommend, when installing carbs, to slide in the carb rack and pull it to rear to install idle control valve clear of frame to get both screws torqued down even. I also did the current off idle fix specific to 76 GL's. By gota ride
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- robin1731
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Re: Felt up
Idle control valve? Do you mean the air cut off valve?
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1976 Goldwing Super Sport
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
- dexter
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- Sidecar Bob
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Re: Felt up
How old are the o-rings? Do you think it might be possible that it is decades of heat and contact with gasoline that have made them harden rather than ethanol?
Read this: https://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic ... 54&t=69205
Read this: https://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic ... 54&t=69205
Mr. Honda ('83 GL1100/Dnepr) summer How a motorcycle evolves thread
The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
"A guy with two sidecars can't be all bad." - Cookie
Another guy with two sidecars..... Hmmmm... must be something to that....
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Re: Felt up
The o rings were about 6 years old from a kit. They were black, assumed not Viton.
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Re: Felt up
Which kit? Some are good and some not so much. https://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=37139
FWIW, I put a Randakk kit in my carbs and the last time I looked inside them the black o-rings had not hardened noticeably after 8 years of use exclusively with E10 fuel.
FWIW, I put a Randakk kit in my carbs and the last time I looked inside them the black o-rings had not hardened noticeably after 8 years of use exclusively with E10 fuel.
Mr. Honda ('83 GL1100/Dnepr) summer How a motorcycle evolves thread
The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
"A guy with two sidecars can't be all bad." - Cookie
Another guy with two sidecars..... Hmmmm... must be something to that....
The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
"A guy with two sidecars can't be all bad." - Cookie
Another guy with two sidecars..... Hmmmm... must be something to that....
- robin1731
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Re: Felt up
Yeah, 0-rings get hard from heat. If the fuel did anything it would make the swell and get "mushy". (technical term)
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1976 Goldwing Super Sport
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
- dexter
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Re: Felt up
It was a Randakk kit, but from before the ethonal scare. Per above I think the seals were functioning. It sat for more than a year dry so they may have swollen, then hardened. Still running great, I "was" looking for another bike! The only sure thing, thats different from before, is the older and more patient carb rebuilder, me.
Thanks All
PS, If, as some think, the mystery hole is for lubrication with fuel, be advised I had no apparent shaft wear at 40K.
Thanks All
PS, If, as some think, the mystery hole is for lubrication with fuel, be advised I had no apparent shaft wear at 40K.
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- Sidecar Bob
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Re: Felt up
The parts that reacted with methanol swelled and became porous.
Mr. Honda ('83 GL1100/Dnepr) summer How a motorcycle evolves thread
The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
"A guy with two sidecars can't be all bad." - Cookie
Another guy with two sidecars..... Hmmmm... must be something to that....
The Famous Eccles ('84 CX650EI/VeloUral) winter Never Ending Build (CX500forum)
Click: Colour schematics for all GL1000 & GL1100 and GL1200 standard models plus instructions on how to download the full size version
"A guy with two sidecars can't be all bad." - Cookie
Another guy with two sidecars..... Hmmmm... must be something to that....
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