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I believe the 78-79 cases were made thicker, so I've heard, to cut down mechanical noise. Also they had a primary chain tensioner fitted. Don't know if there was anything else.
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Yes there are differences in the case thickness in that area and from what I have been told it is only to mask the noise.
I had made a post a over a year ago about early model engines not being rebuildable but I have searched for over an hour now and can not find it. My memory is very poor so do not take any of this as gospel but this is what I recall.
I had heard a rumour regarding early wing main bearing cap issues. I went down and talked to Dave at my local dealership. Dave is the Lead Mechanic there and has been there since before the wing came out. He recalled a problem with cranks seizing after rebuild using the color scheme method of selecting main bearings. He claimed there was a service bulletin that spoke to the issue. I spent the afternoon going through his books and could not find anything specific. He showed me the Bulletin he interpreted to mean that the early engines were not rebuildable. When I read it (and I can not remember the subject but it was internal to the engine) I did not read it that way at all. According to him it was written with ambiguity on purpose and he had been briefed (in 76) by a regional rep not to attempt any further rebuilds and to just replace any engines with lower end issues.
Sorry but I have racked my head and can not remember anything else. I really wish I could find the post about this as this is partial information and I am not certain on it's validity.
I had made a post a over a year ago about early model engines not being rebuildable but I have searched for over an hour now and can not find it. My memory is very poor so do not take any of this as gospel but this is what I recall.
I had heard a rumour regarding early wing main bearing cap issues. I went down and talked to Dave at my local dealership. Dave is the Lead Mechanic there and has been there since before the wing came out. He recalled a problem with cranks seizing after rebuild using the color scheme method of selecting main bearings. He claimed there was a service bulletin that spoke to the issue. I spent the afternoon going through his books and could not find anything specific. He showed me the Bulletin he interpreted to mean that the early engines were not rebuildable. When I read it (and I can not remember the subject but it was internal to the engine) I did not read it that way at all. According to him it was written with ambiguity on purpose and he had been briefed (in 76) by a regional rep not to attempt any further rebuilds and to just replace any engines with lower end issues.
Sorry but I have racked my head and can not remember anything else. I really wish I could find the post about this as this is partial information and I am not certain on it's validity.
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That's about what I recall you said. Given a choice then I'd use a later case.
This may just have been a gesture of care on the part of Honda. When BMW and Subaru have warranty engine problems they usually just replace the engine. I recall GM doing that one some too.
At dealer rates I'm not sure it pays to rebuild over here. They may have erred on the side of caution.
This may just have been a gesture of care on the part of Honda. When BMW and Subaru have warranty engine problems they usually just replace the engine. I recall GM doing that one some too.
At dealer rates I'm not sure it pays to rebuild over here. They may have erred on the side of caution.
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A bulletin from that time was a bulletin reguarding the core plugs on the heads. The bulletin started with a sealant change to the zinc cores. Engine #100001-1001378 were assembled at the factory with a zinc core plug and a sealant that was not up to the task. It stated that the tech was to pull the core and reseal it with a new sealer. Engine # 1001379-1017465 had this proceedure done at the factory. When some of the tech attempted this first proceedure the zinc core plug broke. The last fix was a steel plug and new sealer at the factory from engine #1017465.
Any engine before this last fix could have been interpreted in the manner WK described. If a tech tried to repair the motor and followed all of the rules and it came back with damage from the resulting coolant breach and internal damage, as a rep I would have replaced the motor also and possibly told the techs not to attempt a rebuild until further notice.
I do not recall any bulletin about a GL1000 not being rebuildable. I will however inquire in some archeives and see what I can find.
Any engine before this last fix could have been interpreted in the manner WK described. If a tech tried to repair the motor and followed all of the rules and it came back with damage from the resulting coolant breach and internal damage, as a rep I would have replaced the motor also and possibly told the techs not to attempt a rebuild until further notice.
I do not recall any bulletin about a GL1000 not being rebuildable. I will however inquire in some archeives and see what I can find.
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The first step is to check the pressure. If it is below spec:
At cranking speed
19psi cold
5psi hot
At 900 rpm or idle
60psi cold
12psi hot
At 5000 rpm
64psi cold (I would only use this one as a last resort)
60psi hot
:then you would need to check the pump itself and measure the clearances and all things involved in keeping the pressure up. Section 7 of the manual.
At cranking speed
19psi cold
5psi hot
At 900 rpm or idle
60psi cold
12psi hot
At 5000 rpm
64psi cold (I would only use this one as a last resort)
60psi hot
:then you would need to check the pump itself and measure the clearances and all things involved in keeping the pressure up. Section 7 of the manual.
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GL1000 1976 "Puffy Too"
CB77 1965 First Bike
GL1000 1975 "Puffy" damaged in accident
CB750F2 1978
GL1000 1976 "Puffy Too"