Answer me this.....

[BerlinKowgirl]

I'd be tempted to fit a rolled pin from the local hardware store and see if it shifts.
Most trannies I've worked on had the shifting forks pinned individually to the shift rods but maybe this is just a shaft and fork activation comes from some where else. I have seen individual forks activated by other means that just slid on a rod.

Umm...yeah...I'd do the same if I was the one who worked on the engine - and obviously forgot the little pin. But if I had paid the Hondashop good money to rebuild my engine, I would just expect it to be perfect and nothing less! And if that would mean to load it up on a truck and haul it down to the shop...so be it...and they better fix it...

Cheers,
Peewee

[Sagebrush]

I'd be tempted to fit a rolled pin from the local hardware store and see if it shifts.

I'm pretty sure that is how it will eventually be fixed. The rod is all the way back and will not recess into the hole any further. The pin needed to be inserted into the hole and through the rod before the case halves were bolted together as the flange of the opposite case prevents the pin from coming out.

To properly fix this, provided a pin can be found, the cases need to be split to provide access to the hole the pin slips into.

I suppose that by drilling or grinding a V notch in the case flange to gain access a slightly undersized roll pin then can be inserted and RTV'd into place to prevent its slipping out. It obviously is not a press fit as the hole for the pin on the opposite side of the rod is a blind hole. There is no way that anyone could drive a pin out so it must be a slip fit.

There is no resistance to turning the rod with a screwdriver so I suspect the shift forks are not pinned to the rod. Besides, once I pushed the rod back into the hole to remove the interference with the shift pawl the motor shifts fine through all the gears.

Umm...yeah...I'd do the same if I was the one who worked on the engine - and obviously forgot the little pin. But if I had paid the Hondashop good money to rebuild my engine, I would just expect it to be perfect and nothing less! And if that would mean to load it up on a truck and haul it down to the shop...so be it...and they better fix it...

I plan on doing just this and I expect the Honda shop to fix it properly. I would only use the method above if the lawyers got too expensive and I had to fix it myself.

[WingerDave]

I dont see why you would have to split the engine. As billbmsn said

The end of 4 has a screwdriver slot so it can be turned to align it for the pin (the shop manual shows using a screwdriver). That's the way it should look.

Rotate the rod while pushing on the pin until it locates in the hole in the rod. All the pin does is stop the rod working itself out (as it did in your case). The rod doesn't have any turning forces on it (unless the shifting mechanism freezes) , so it's not going to break off.

Dave.

[sodbuster]

I'd be willing to bet that even if you bring it back to the shop to have fixed they will attempt to do what everyone else is suggesting (roll pin or something similar) rather than split the cases.

[sodbuster]

Here's what I was thinking would work ...........

[mooseheadm5]

Damn,
What is it that you do again? Are you an engineering geek like me?
That would definitely work.

[Cookie]

And with me it might just get a hammered in small feeze plug, theaded and a plug that way, or a hole drilled on the out side and a pin inserted. Unless I planned to fix it absolutly right I would not plit the case I guess.

[sodbuster]

Damn,
What is it that you do again?

Tool Designer

[Ebola]

Umm...yeah...I'd do the same if I was the one who worked on the engine - and obviously forgot the little pin. But if I had paid the Hondashop good money to rebuild my engine, I would just expect it to be perfect and nothing less! And if that would mean to load it up on a truck and haul it down to the shop...so be it...and they better fix it...

I plan on doing just this and I expect the Honda shop to fix it properly. I would only use the method above if the lawyers got too expensive and I had to fix it myself.

So, I guess I'm not getting my parts then.

[ElPiloto]

If the proper way to repair this problem is to split the case, then that's how it should be done. If you are going to have the shop, that made the mistake, do the repair, then they should do it properly.

Split the case, make the repair, reassemble the engine.

All of the suggested "repairs" are not permanent and proper.

If the place that made the mistake won't do the repair, take them to Small Claims Court. Get the photos and the diagram in this thread blown up to 8 1/2" by 11". Have Kinko's, or some other place, do the printing. Take all of the paperwork from the shop that made the mistake and the photos and diagrams with you to Court. Explain simply how the shop screwed up. If there is another Honda shop within driving distance, show them the photos and get them to give you an estimate for repairs and ask them to write on the estimate what happened and why.

Once they are served with the subpoena to appear, they will most likely agree to do the repair correctly.

You DO NOT need a lawyer to prosecute your own lawsuit in Small Claims Court. It is setup that way to give everyone access to the courrs without an attorney.

[sodbuster]

Sounds like the right way to go about it and makes good sense. Thanks for the info on small claims court. I used to work in a bike shop many years ago and always hated when a unhappy customer would come back to the shop for what ever reason and then get chewed out by the service manager. I would hate to be the person that goofed on this one.

[roncar]

......I expect the Honda shop to fix it properly.........

So whats the rest of the story? They fix it? Small claims court? Sorry 'bout that. Better luck next time? Inquiring minds need to know.

[totaldoughnut]

The Dealership should fix it properly, its rework. Ive worked at diesel tech for Cummins and now work for an International and Peterbilt dealership. Mistakes unforunatley sometimes happen, but we take care of them. You could probably just beat an expansion plug into that bore to hold the shaft in.

[Roady]

I missed this thread the first time round. Very interesting read, I learned a lot.

So what's the upshot?

Is is done? How'd it go?

Was it a Farmer Fix or didja get it properly repaired?

Inquiring minds need to know.