Wouldn’t this be backwards?
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- ericheath
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Wouldn’t this be backwards?
Stumbling around looking at old builds and came across this one:
https://bikepost.ru/blog/custom/38274/K ... L1500.html I never noticed the steering setup. Ujoint to steering stem. Would that work backwards of counter steering?? If you push or pull, nothing happens. If you tip it right, you’ll go left and visa versa. My guess is is you’d adapt quickly, but that’s different and a mistake at speed could prove confusing at best.
Guess it would be better in reverse.
https://bikepost.ru/blog/custom/38274/K ... L1500.html I never noticed the steering setup. Ujoint to steering stem. Would that work backwards of counter steering?? If you push or pull, nothing happens. If you tip it right, you’ll go left and visa versa. My guess is is you’d adapt quickly, but that’s different and a mistake at speed could prove confusing at best.
Guess it would be better in reverse.
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
No, tip it left and you go left. But I don't think there would be any counter steer. Not an ideal setup to actually ride I wouldn't think.
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
Bars that pivot vertically rather than (mostly) horizontally? You'd have to learn how to ride again. No thanks.
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
Now that's a build I've not seen before! Quite an interesting set-up for the radiator(s), although I would guess the position might be a bit uncomfortable (and possibly hazardous) for riding. Nice detail work on the drive conversion as well...
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
There’s no turn of the bars. You tip the bars left, the wheel turns left. At speed, when the wheel turns left, the bike will lean and go right.
Whatever I suggest here should be given ample time for a moderator to delicately correct. I apologize in advance.
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
ericheath wrote:There’s no turn of the bars. You tip the bars left, the wheel turns left. At speed, when the wheel turns left, the bike will lean and go right.
So it would be the same as a regular bike. You do still move the bars. Just up/down instead of right/left.
I think it would be very difficult to ride the thing.
Anyone remember way back there was a mini bike made that had the handlebars attached to the rear wheel. But when you turned the bars right the rear wheel turned left. Opposite of the input. Lots of crashes trying to learn how to ride that.
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
some serious outside the box thinking..but it has show bike written all over it.
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
Most manuals I’ve read teach to press down on the bar in the direction of intended travel. Others call it “pushing the corners.” With that bike, if you press down on the left like you’re entering a left corner, you’re going to be surprised. Right? It would work nice walking it around the shop.
Some bikes the bars get quite a ways away from you. My stock 77 bars are awkward to me. If you turn very sharp, you lose your leverage and it’s tricky to hold up.
It’s a clever looking setup, show bike for sure. A simple set of gears between the bars and ujoint shaft would fix it to ride, but be backwards moving around a parking lot. Definitely tricky trying to turn around at slow speeds.
Some bikes the bars get quite a ways away from you. My stock 77 bars are awkward to me. If you turn very sharp, you lose your leverage and it’s tricky to hold up.
It’s a clever looking setup, show bike for sure. A simple set of gears between the bars and ujoint shaft would fix it to ride, but be backwards moving around a parking lot. Definitely tricky trying to turn around at slow speeds.
Whatever I suggest here should be given ample time for a moderator to delicately correct. I apologize in advance.
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
77 WING, 1200 engine with 77 heads, cams, gl1100 foot pegs, Magna V65 front end, 764A carbs, [-gone Suzuki M109 monoshock--, replaced with gl1100 shocks] gl 1200 swing arm, gl1500 final drive, wheel and rear brakes Valkyrie seat, Meanstreak tank, Sportster pipes, Power Arc ignition off crank.
77 Wing. black
83 Wing, in pieces
"Continuing education is important even if the subject matter is fairly useless (as in this case)."---Greg Foresi
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
I think you're correct. I would want nothing to do with it.robin1731 wrote:No, tip it left and you go left. But I don't think there would be any counter steer. Not an ideal setup to actually ride I wouldn't think.
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
Not to worry about the steering. It will overheat long before it gets out of the parking lot.
But as a design concept it’s very well done and I really do like looking at it.
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But as a design concept it’s very well done and I really do like looking at it.
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
Im looking at the belt drive!!
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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?
UK_Andy wrote:Im looking at the belt drive!!
With jackshaft. Some loss of power with that setup. But one way to get a wide wheel/tire combo.
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and a rotation of various purchases
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and a rotation of various purchases
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