Wouldn’t this be backwards?

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Wouldn’t this be backwards?

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Stumbling around looking at old builds and came across this one:

https://bikepost.ru/blog/custom/38274/K ... L1500.html
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I never noticed the steering setup. Ujoint to steering stem. Would that work backwards of counter steering?? If you push or pull, nothing happens. If you tip it right, you’ll go left and visa versa. My guess is is you’d adapt quickly, but that’s different and a mistake at speed could prove confusing at best.

Guess it would be better in reverse.
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No, tip it left and you go left. But I don't think there would be any counter steer. Not an ideal setup to actually ride I wouldn't think.

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Bars that pivot vertically rather than (mostly) horizontally? You'd have to learn how to ride again. No thanks.
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Now that's a build I've not seen before! Quite an interesting set-up for the radiator(s), although I would guess the position might be a bit uncomfortable (and possibly hazardous) for riding. Nice detail work on the drive conversion as well...
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There’s no turn of the bars. You tip the bars left, the wheel turns left. At speed, when the wheel turns left, the bike will lean and go right.
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ericheath wrote:There’s no turn of the bars. You tip the bars left, the wheel turns left. At speed, when the wheel turns left, the bike will lean and go right.

So it would be the same as a regular bike. You do still move the bars. Just up/down instead of right/left.

I think it would be very difficult to ride the thing.

Anyone remember way back there was a mini bike made that had the handlebars attached to the rear wheel. But when you turned the bars right the rear wheel turned left. Opposite of the input. Lots of crashes trying to learn how to ride that.

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some serious outside the box thinking..but it has show bike written all over it.
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Most manuals I’ve read teach to press down on the bar in the direction of intended travel. Others call it “pushing the corners.” With that bike, if you press down on the left like you’re entering a left corner, you’re going to be surprised. Right? It would work nice walking it around the shop.

Some bikes the bars get quite a ways away from you. My stock 77 bars are awkward to me. If you turn very sharp, you lose your leverage and it’s tricky to hold up.

It’s a clever looking setup, show bike for sure. A simple set of gears between the bars and ujoint shaft would fix it to ride, but be backwards moving around a parking lot. Definitely tricky trying to turn around at slow speeds.
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robin1731 wrote:No, tip it left and you go left. But I don't think there would be any counter steer. Not an ideal setup to actually ride I wouldn't think.

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Re: Wouldn’t this be backwards?

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Not to worry about the steering. It will overheat long before it gets out of the parking lot.
But as a design concept it’s very well done and I really do like looking at it.

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Im looking at the belt drive!!
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UK_Andy wrote:Im looking at the belt drive!!

With jackshaft. Some loss of power with that setup. But one way to get a wide wheel/tire combo.

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