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Re: Building a small shop - opinions?

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Sidecar Bob wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 12:01 pmSNIP I was advised that running cable through conduit is not allowed (something to do with possible buildup of heat).SNIP
Correct. Depends on local code but illegal in some municipalities. Generally okay if short runs or if you use the next size up romex to reduce resistance and subsequent heat
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You're both correct. I'm running four THNN wires through conduit from the main panel to the sub- panel. The conduit has to be less than 50% filled by volume (IIRC). My nephew is a master electrician and ran me through the whole setup. I wish he lived close enough to do the labor, but no such luck. I have done smaller electrical projects in the past, but wiring full panels is all new...
As far as purchasing wire, like almost anything else, Amazon has just about any type, gauge, length, and color you might want, at a fair savings over big box stores. You just need to know what you need, lol!
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When I was looking for wire last year the lowest price anywhere online was considerably more than taking apart 14/2.
In fact, IIRC it would have cost me about as much per foot for each of the single wires as I paid for the 14/2.

Anyway it sounds like you have a handle on it tumb2
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Even to a small shop, I would run 12/3. That way you will never worry about overloading the system from something like a compressor or the like.
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I was just running the #14 for lights. For a shop with its own panel I'd want at least #10 (30A) or #8 (40A) but that would depend on the panel's main breaker.
I'm sure Track's nephew has coached him about that.
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Track T 2411 wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:23 pm You're both correct. I'm running four THNN wires through conduit from the main panel to the sub- panel. The conduit has to be less than 50% filled by volume (IIRC). My nephew is a master electrician and ran me through the whole setup. I wish he lived close enough to do the labor, but no such luck. I have done smaller electrical projects in the past, but wiring full panels is all new...
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The sub- panel is 100 amp, so the underground cable is THNN 6 gauge, which is a stranded wire. Buying individual rolls of 50ft was less than half the price of similar underground (direct burial) cable, and I didn't have to trench it as deep.
All the circuits in the shop are 20 amp, wired with 12-2, except for the welder/ compressor circuit which is 240v 30 amp with 10-2 wiring.
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I'll hopefully finish up the conduit run today and pull wire! Lots of test fitting going on, lol!
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'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!

In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
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FINALLY!
Just a few odds and ends to wrap up, but I am taking occupancy! Not quite ready to wrench on a Wing yet as I'm going to build two fold- into- the- wall work benches and a rolling tool rack/ cart to maximize utility.
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Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

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'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!

In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
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It will never do. It looks to nice to get greasy :-D :-D :-D
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Looks awesome. those LED Paddle lights are great.
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Whiskerfish wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:44 pm Looks awesome. those LED Paddle lights are great.
They were on sale really cheap. I looked at so many different types I had analysis paralysis, lol. I figure I can always upgrade as I go.

Bob, because it's so small (10x10) I really do have to keep it neat, or I'll get stuck in there! I can't believe I actually have to plan where I put the garbage cans. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Current Rides:
'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!

In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
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I know the feeling. Our garage is a decent size and when the car moves outside for the summer I have the luxury of using its half of the garage for shop space but when the car moves inside everything has to move into the shop and it becomes really crowded really fast.
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'Grumpy' - '81 Standard, now fully dressed.
'Layla' - '81 Standard w/dealer installed fairing and Hondaline bags.
'Scarlett' '76 'Survivor' nekkid as a j-bird!

Under Construction:
The 'Jalopy' '78-'79 Mash-up
'Quikie' '81 gl1100I back on the lift, project with the step-son!

In The Shed:
'81 gl1100I barn find aka "Josie, the farmer's daughter." (almost comatose build)
'77 gl1000, roller parts bike.
'82 gl1100I, 'Old Crusty' titled roller parts bike (free!)
'82 gl1100I, My first 'Wing, and an expensive lesson!
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Shop looks good but it is very snug. Might be interesting trying to get the forks off in there.
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