Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
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Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
Hello naked friends. After receiving some valuable input to yesterday's video, I did some more digging. In this video, I show that cylinder #4 was not firing and that the air mixture needle on cylinder #2 was blocked. The carb balancing that I had done needed re-balancing. I found the problem with spark on cylinder #4 and I was able to improve the idle mixture situation on cylinder #2. I feel that I have made significant progress but that I still have work to do. Thanks to those who responded yesterday.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEoAFqBwduI
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
that sounds a lot better
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
How many turns out was that mixture screw?
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and a rotation of various purchases
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
I saw that.......WOW!
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
hi Len,
I was thinking about your finding the loose primary bullet terminals which caused one of the 2 ignition coils to not function.
My thoughts have been going back to how corroded those bullet terminals appeared to be. Corrosion.
hmmm... I wondered did Len unplug all the multiple bullet terminal connections in that area and fully address the deterioration of their complementing male/female terminals ... and then,
Hey, how's about the condenser assembly case, itself, and its physical connection to a low resistance ground path where it is mounted onto the front side of the battery frame, as well!!
https://www.randakksblog.com/gl1000-con ... denser.pdf
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https://www.randakksblog.com/wp-content ... denser.pdf
I was thinking about your finding the loose primary bullet terminals which caused one of the 2 ignition coils to not function.
My thoughts have been going back to how corroded those bullet terminals appeared to be. Corrosion.
hmmm... I wondered did Len unplug all the multiple bullet terminal connections in that area and fully address the deterioration of their complementing male/female terminals ... and then,
Hey, how's about the condenser assembly case, itself, and its physical connection to a low resistance ground path where it is mounted onto the front side of the battery frame, as well!!
https://www.randakksblog.com/gl1000-con ... denser.pdf
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https://www.randakksblog.com/wp-content ... denser.pdf
Cliff )
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New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
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1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
One other thing that usually helps with the off idle response is to reduce the idle air jet in the brass elbows on the carb sides from the oe 115’s to a 110. Subtle but it helps. Things are sounding better
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
Parts of this video were a little less clear than they should have been. What I was trying to demonstrate was that, even when I turned the mixture screw all the way in and a long way out on #2, it did not have any effect. Once I was able to clear the needle seat, I the performed the idle-drop on that mixture screw like the others. I believe that it ended up being 2 and1/2 turns out; similar to the others. Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
Good morning Cliff. Thanks as usual for the detailed response. Everything you suggested, I have done during the project. All bullet connectors have been taken apart, checked, snugged-up where required and reassembled. I installed a 10 ga. designated ground from the condenser to the frame.gltriker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:40 am hi Len,
I was thinking about your finding the loose primary bullet terminals which caused one of the 2 ignition coils to not function.
My thoughts have been going back to how corroded those bullet terminals appeared to be. Corrosion.
hmmm... I wondered did Len unplug all the multiple bullet terminal connections in that area and fully address the deterioration of their complementing male/female terminals ... and then,
Hey, how's about the condenser assembly case, itself, and its physical connection to a low resistance ground path where it is mounted onto the front side of the battery frame, as well!!
https://www.randakksblog.com/gl1000-con ... denser.pdf
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https://www.randakksblog.com/wp-content ... denser.pdf
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
That would be easy enough to do. Thanks, I'll look through my carb parts to see if I happen to have those.
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
Perfect, Lenleonardhcross wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 7:01 amGood morning Cliff. Thanks as usual for the detailed response. Everything you suggested, I have done during the project. All bullet connectors have been taken apart, checked, snugged-up where required and reassembled. I installed a 10 ga. designated ground from the condenser to the frame.gltriker wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 3:40 am hi Len,
I was thinking about your finding the loose primary bullet terminals which caused one of the 2 ignition coils to not function.
My thoughts have been going back to how corroded those bullet terminals appeared to be. Corrosion.
hmmm... I wondered did Len unplug all the multiple bullet terminal connections in that area and fully address the deterioration of their complementing male/female terminals ... and then,
Hey, how's about the condenser assembly case, itself, and its physical connection to a low resistance ground path where it is mounted onto the front side of the battery frame, as well!!
https://www.randakksblog.com/gl1000-con ... denser.pdf
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https://www.randakksblog.com/wp-content ... denser.pdf
Ignition system... check.
Carburetion improvements...check.
Engine...
What valve lash clearance number are the intake and exhaust valves set at?
Do you have individual cylinder compression test numbers to share with us, too?
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Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
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RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/page/ST
^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
Valve lash at .004. I will open them up to .006 soon but did not want to confound the recent adjustments with another variable. Re: compression readings, I tested very early on once I got her running steadily. Remember that the bike had been sitting for thirteen years. My readings were: 115, 110, 105, 110. Now that I have taken the bike out a couple of times, I am anticipating higher readings. I will ride a bit more, then report my findings.
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
Yes, it's tìme to put some road traveled hours on the bike's engine now.
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Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
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^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
Keep your eyes and ears open and you'll learn something new, everyday.
New users please visit our "Shop Talk" for common tips and help: <---jdvorchak
http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/page/ST
^^^^^^^click up here^^^^^
RE: a thorough fuel tank cleaning
"And your carbs will thank you. They no longer live down stream from a sewage plant." -gregforesi
"Can't see the paint when your looking thru the handlebars..........." -Oldewing
"I'd rather Ride than Shine" -RAT Me Too!!
Cliff
'75 GL1000 home built trike; http://www.ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=39996
October,2017 BOTM https://nakedgoldwingsclub.com/forum/page/Welcome
previous rides:
1953 H-D Servi-car, naked, 1969-1978 (serial#53G1559 committed to memory!)
1980 CB900 Custom (triked) 1997-2003 .... R.I.P.
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
Once I removed the idle-mix needle on carb #2, I used a tapered red straw on a can of carb cleaner to blast out the bottom of the hole, (the seat?). That clearly helped but....could I also have probed the needle seat with a thin wire like a high E guitar string? I admit that I tried but very gently. The seat felt rubbery upon probing. Here is the needle along with the wire.
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
It felt rubbery because you were hitting the bowl gasket.
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1985 Honda Elite
1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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1976 KZ900 Dragbike
1992 ZX7 Dragbike (KZ900 style motor w/NOS)
and a rotation of various purchases
Randakk approved Carb Rebuilder
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Re: Synchronizing and idle-drop improve stumble
Thank you. I'm glad that I had enough sense not to push that wire. I did read in the forum that you can sometimes clear a plugged air mixture opening using the red plastic tube on carb cleaner. With the rubber gasket at the bottom, where does the carb cleaner actually go? In my case, after spraying the carb cleaner into the opening, I noticed that there seemed to be air pressure causing the cleaner to bubble back at me for a bit. You have been very attentive and patient with me and I appreciate it greatly.
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